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2020 Presidential Democratic Primary Debates 1+2 |OT| June 26-27, 2019
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I am perplexed with this primary candidate selection.
Based on my key issues; student loan debt forgiveness, nuclear power expansion, Green New Deal, universal health care, free college, ending the electoral college, abolishing the filibuster, DC and PR statehood, DACA, Supreme Court reform, wealth tax, campaign finance, net neutrality, minimum wage, gun control, legalizing pot, and ending private prisons; it seems like Mayor Pete matches everything the best.
Which is disappointing. Harris has the better stage presence but she doesn't have a position on student debt relief (as far as I can find) and doesn't support nuclear power. Bernie and Warren are both down the board good, except for nuclear power. I think Bernie is too stubborn and too old though.
If Harris supports student loan forgiveness I can overlook the nuclear power issue, in which case Pete, Harris, and Warren would be my frontrunners.
With DeBlasio being a wildcard only because I think he can easily out-New Yorker Trump in any debate.
Based on my key issues; student loan debt forgiveness, nuclear power expansion, Green New Deal, universal health care, free college, ending the electoral college, abolishing the filibuster, DC and PR statehood, DACA, Supreme Court reform, wealth tax, campaign finance, net neutrality, minimum wage, gun control, legalizing pot, and ending private prisons; it seems like Mayor Pete matches everything the best.
Which is disappointing. Harris has the better stage presence but she doesn't have a position on student debt relief (as far as I can find) and doesn't support nuclear power. Bernie and Warren are both down the board good, except for nuclear power. I think Bernie is too stubborn and too old though.
If Harris supports student loan forgiveness I can overlook the nuclear power issue, in which case Pete, Harris, and Warren would be my frontrunners.
With DeBlasio being a wildcard only because I think he can easily out-New Yorker Trump in any debate.
I'm a moderate republican completely turned off by Trump, but I'm not nearly as liberal as many on this board or many of the candidates but I will not be voting for Trump.
Do you think the best strategy for beating trump is going far to the left or finding someone in the middle that can take on some disaffected conservatives like myself?
I'm new to this side of ERA so direct me if I'm in wrong thread...
Do you think the best strategy for beating trump is going far to the left or finding someone in the middle that can take on some disaffected conservatives like myself?
I'm new to this side of ERA so direct me if I'm in wrong thread...
I was mostly with you until this (although I think Pete has no chance against Trump).
DeBlasio would get slaughtered in a debate and it wouldn't even be fun to watch unless you're a New Yorker tired of your mayor.
Trump is actively destroying the country. Do whatever you can to get him out of the WH. There is no Democrat candidate that could be worse for the US than he is, no matter how far left (and there are not many particularly far left candidates).
In all honesty, as bizarre as she came off and as odd as her tweets are, I think she's legitimately in it to do some good rather than as a grift.
As far as I know, there aren't any communists running as Democrats right now, so you might wanna frame what "far to the left" is supposed to mean in your eyes.
Also, Republicans listen to my bloody valentine?
The truth is no one knows. I think we can mostly safely say it isn't Biden, though.
I think a DeBlasio/Trump debate would devolve into a shouting match in a thick New York accent. Which, in theory would be hilarious.
"Vote for the Democrat". All you need for a moderate or a independent to vote for them is someone at least tolerable, and with Trump as the opponent, that's not hard to be. Last time, many people thought Clinton was not tolerable, due to decades of hate campaigns and times in the spotlight, everyone had their opinion before she even ran, or formed by negative media campaigns.
No such luck for Trump this time, there's no one in the Dem primary that is hated like Hillary was, nor even known like Hillary besides Biden/Bernie. He is vile enough and more importantly omnipresent enough that people will vote for the Dem just so they don't have to hear about Trump daily anymore.
I'm kind of just getting into it based on debates, I liked Harris last night and I like Pete's personality and that he plays Spoon songs, but some of his rhetoric makes me think he can't beat trump :)
Some candidates like Bernie are a little out there for me on some fiscal policies I'm open to anyone for sure though!
Not only that but would you take her or a man who told cops it's okay to beat people up.
I'm interested in people's EXISTING POLICY POSITIONS as criticisms, AKA some of the things Pete has said about not moving the embassy from Jerusalem.
I am highly pessimistic after this debate. It seems that liberals once again will get away with it and delusionally elect someone who will be ultimately destroyed in generals.
A biden like character with a progressive VP. With a progressive POC VP that could be a shoe in.
Looking at Bernie's campaign so far, he'd be a solid second choice.
It's a damn shame old white men are the only ones with a shot of beating trump, but that is the state of things for now.
I, mean there is a reason why Biden such a force in the party, polls and by the media I've seen, with the base too. He keeps having gaffed that should de rail him but he keeps his lead in the polls and position in the party.
His promise to take things how they were in the Obama years is a pretty damn effective remedy for a traumatized nation.
You're incapable of entertaining the thought of anyone but Bernie, so this is understandable. Feel better.
He polls well because people have a rosy view of Biden from the Obama years. He's trying to coast on nostalgia. This debate showed why he's not as strong as people like to imagine. Watch as the campaign goes along, I think his shine will fade.
An old white man is not the only one who can beat Trump, either. Democratic presidential candidates who are younger are historically the ones who actually go on to win. A Biden/Sanders ticket would be terrible.
lol omg, it really would be. the debates would have to take place in a swimming pool containing alien cocoons.
"Destroyed" like winning the popular vote and losing by 100k voters in three states after a 40 year hate campaign, complicit media and explicit foreign election interference?
Pete and Kamala are bad, yes
These opinions arent mutually exclusive, as anyone who isnt Warren or Sanders might as well be wearing clown shoes
Watching the debate right now, and I have to mention this:
Marianne finally has the opportunity to speak, and almost instantly I feel compelled to pause it and take a break. Seeing her dismiss the conversation around Medicare-for-All as just a bunch of "superficial fixes" on the basis that Trump didn't win because of "plans" was such an ugh moment.
Marianne finally has the opportunity to speak, and almost instantly I feel compelled to pause it and take a break. Seeing her dismiss the conversation around Medicare-for-All as just a bunch of "superficial fixes" on the basis that Trump didn't win because of "plans" was such an ugh moment.
you didn't state where you're at in terms of policy specifics so i am going to make some assumptions here. you can correct them if you think they're off base
when you say you are a moderate republican who is turned off by trump, that sounds to me like someone who wants low taxes, but who dislikes trump because of what he is doing to usa's institutions, reputation abroad, the democratic system itself and how his policy severely hurts one or more of the following groups: non-white people, LGBT people, immigrants
is that about correct?
then i would ask you, if the democrats were to nominate a candidate relatively far to the left. someone who wouldn't even be shy of increasing taxes quite a bit, how would you vote? would you vote for that left-wing candidate or stay at home / vote third party? what would you consider more important: restoring your country's institutions, reputation, democracy and dignity of the groups trump go after on the one hand, or maintaining really low taxes on the other hand?
if you would be able to stomach higher taxes for restoring those aspects of american life that trump is threatening, then so would likely many other moderates like yourself. in that case, nominating someone who would enthuse people on the left would likely be the better strategy, if moderates like yourself could still stomach voting for someone like that in order to get rid of trump
I mean, you're arguing against a pattern of bad faith posting and concern trolling. It's nice of you to try but I don't expect you'll have much of an impact here.
Is this a joke post?
People are so desperately trying to turn Kamala into "the next Hillary" by painting her as establishment, a corporate shill, etc. when there's literally nothing in common with the two.
Literally any of the real candidates sans Biden will do a lot of good. Harris, Warren, Sanders, I will enthusiastically vote for any of these three.
But of course literally nothing but Bernie will satisfy some of y'all and I'm sure you'll poison the discourse enough on our eventual candidate to get Trump another four years and fuck this country up enough to last my lifetime. :)
BTW fuck all y'all white boys trying so hard to paint Kamala as "a cop" without ever experiencing a smidge of racism yourself.
Literally any of the real candidates sans Biden will do a lot of good. Harris, Warren, Sanders, I will enthusiastically vote for any of these three.
But of course literally nothing but Bernie will satisfy some of y'all and I'm sure you'll poison the discourse enough on our eventual candidate to get Trump another four years and fuck this country up enough to last my lifetime. :)
BTW fuck all y'all white boys trying so hard to paint Kamala as "a cop" without ever experiencing a smidge of racism yourself.
Here are the final ratings for last night's Democratic Debate (Night 2) 2020:
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Let's hope the momentum will keep going with future Democratic debates (although hopefully on one night instead of two). I'm also hoping that the big viewership translates to big voting numbers in May 2020.
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Let's hope the momentum will keep going with future Democratic debates (although hopefully on one night instead of two). I'm also hoping that the big viewership translates to big voting numbers in May 2020.
TBH I consider myself an ardent Bernie supporter and came away from the debate thinking he didn't do so hot and that I would be satisfied voting for Kamala as well.
Yang is claiming that his mic was frequently muted. There may be some video evidence to back him up:
I've donated quite a bit to Bernie (with Yang being the other candidate I've donated to) and I feel the same.
I've donated quite a bit to Bernie (with Yang being the other candidate I've donated to) and I feel the same.
The reasons you gave for not liking Trump are pretty spot on along with the fact that he's a blowhard and an idiot. Ha, to be honest fiscal policy is important and so sometimes Bernie seems crazy to me, but I also care about other issues. I lean pro life on many policy decisions but also immigration (in which is my #1 dislike of Trump's term) is very imortsnr to me and finding a candidate that lined up with me on two important issues are hard for me.
Where I'm coming from is that I didn't vote in 2016 because I disliked both candidates but I'm probably not going to do that again. I will probably vote Democrat but there are some candidates that it will be really hard for me to stomach. I know there are a lot of my friends who are in my shoes.
Interesting. It seems he is losing fundraisers.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/28/joe-biden-fundraising-2020-1389857
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/28/joe-biden-fundraising-2020-1389857
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Some argued that Sanders was being strategic by not being aggressive with Biden because it would turn off people who like Biden (even if he's not their first choice), and now I'm thinking that might have been good, if some of the reactions over Kamala attacking Biden are anything to go by.
Actually the only people that are attacking her are the same people that have always been attacking her. I.E. people that see her as a threat to Bernie getting his coronation. Bernie fans are doubling their attacks on her after how fantastically she performed last night.
im thinking sanders should have been more aggressive tbh. hes plenty critical of other candidates on social media (his team is) and when it came down to it he barely touched biden or anyone else
yeah dude you got it
I think letting Kamala go after Biden was the right choice. Biden needs a spoiler in the center left for Bernie to have a chance.
Better for someone to get a leg up off Biden that agrees with Bernie on M4A. Though, she has been a bit shaky, I'd rather her get the leg up than one of the centrist.
I'm happy with any candidate that eliminates student debt and makes college free , i'd Imagine that'd spark a housing boom and have a huge impact on a large portion of the populations lifetime net worth ... take it out of the defense budget
It depends on how they do it. I agree that simply saying "college is free" is mostly only benefitting rich kids. If community college were made free and treated as a 13th and 14th year of public school I'd be on board with that. I don't want rich people getting a break on their kids' tuition. It's probably the only thing I agree with Sanders on.
Winning popular vote by nearly four million = Getting destroyed??
Aw, guess it's true then... Even the stans feel that Bernie under-performed.
Good. The sooner we can start thinning the herd, the better.
Harris is proving that she can be a dangerous candidate, Warren has got a plan for everything, and then there's Biden... It's gonna take a while to see if he can be dethroned- I hope that he can, but his lead is gigantic already.
Nah, IMO education and health care are human rights and should be treated as such. Tax the rich more, and let what should be a public service be a public service.
Warren having a plan for anything is great and all but she's not gonna be gaining anything out of the debates with her performance on the first day. She wasn't really debating so much as being interviewed while a bunch of other people were actually debating. Still, better than Bernie getting a question about anything and diverting to his stump speech. At least Warren can think on her feet instead of going scripted.
Anyway, for my completely objective™ take on who the best debaters in the field are:
Harris: Her prosecutorial experience really comes in handy in the "thinking on your feet and demanding a room's attention" sphere. She can really look like the adult in the room while seeming to be passionate about whatever it is she's talking about. May not always get into details but always addresses the question and brings up relevant anecdotes (And, let's be honest, getting into nitty-gritty details in debates doesn't really help with the average voter and may even turn them away depending on how it's done).
Steals away time by speaking over moderators (Without stumbling or stuttering) and interrupting at just the right moment to not get into yelling fights that make her look bad.
Castro: Knows how to get across passion and be prepared for a debate, also knows how to stick it where it hurts and get time. Can think on his feet without sounding scripted. Stuck out the most during his debate despite speaking less time than Warren and Booker.
Booker: Similar to Castro, gets across less passion, but knows how to gain time.
Pete: Doesn't get flustered in the face of attacks, can think on his feet, and can keep a consistent tone.
Warren: Knows what the fuck she's talking about at any given moment without having to run to a stump speech. Ask her anything and most of the time she'll have an answer. Doesn't try to engage with anyone on stage and kinda fades into the background, however.
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Bernie: Always back to a stump speech (that literally everyone who'd watch a debate has heard some form of) that he rewords a bit regardless of the question. He's like a more grouchy Marco Rubio debate-wise in that regard. Actually went and stuck his foot in his mouth saying he'd raise taxes on everyone (Technically necessary, politically suicidal).
Biden: Not as present as he usually in in debates. For most of the debate he was just doing the minimum necessary to maintain his numbers, which may have been a strategy on his part or just old age making him less reactive. Can't take an attack without putting his foot in his mouth.
Bennet: He'll answer the question posed to him, bring up good points, but do it in the most boring, sleep-inducing manner possible.
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Crystal Woman
"I'm sorry, what did you say about my single issue?" Yang
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Tim Ryan/Hickenlooper
The best in an interview list is pretty similar, too (Though Warren gets bumped up to second in interviews). Harris interviews extremely well, her only problem is she's not particularly good at stump speeches. She has to be talking to someone directly for her charisma to really shine.
Anyway, for my completely objective™ take on who the best debaters in the field are:
Harris: Her prosecutorial experience really comes in handy in the "thinking on your feet and demanding a room's attention" sphere. She can really look like the adult in the room while seeming to be passionate about whatever it is she's talking about. May not always get into details but always addresses the question and brings up relevant anecdotes (And, let's be honest, getting into nitty-gritty details in debates doesn't really help with the average voter and may even turn them away depending on how it's done).
Steals away time by speaking over moderators (Without stumbling or stuttering) and interrupting at just the right moment to not get into yelling fights that make her look bad.
Castro: Knows how to get across passion and be prepared for a debate, also knows how to stick it where it hurts and get time. Can think on his feet without sounding scripted. Stuck out the most during his debate despite speaking less time than Warren and Booker.
Booker: Similar to Castro, gets across less passion, but knows how to gain time.
Pete: Doesn't get flustered in the face of attacks, can think on his feet, and can keep a consistent tone.
Warren: Knows what the fuck she's talking about at any given moment without having to run to a stump speech. Ask her anything and most of the time she'll have an answer. Doesn't try to engage with anyone on stage and kinda fades into the background, however.
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Bernie: Always back to a stump speech (that literally everyone who'd watch a debate has heard some form of) that he rewords a bit regardless of the question. He's like a more grouchy Marco Rubio debate-wise in that regard. Actually went and stuck his foot in his mouth saying he'd raise taxes on everyone (Technically necessary, politically suicidal).
Biden: Not as present as he usually in in debates. For most of the debate he was just doing the minimum necessary to maintain his numbers, which may have been a strategy on his part or just old age making him less reactive. Can't take an attack without putting his foot in his mouth.
Bennet: He'll answer the question posed to him, bring up good points, but do it in the most boring, sleep-inducing manner possible.
...
Crystal Woman
"I'm sorry, what did you say about my single issue?" Yang
...
Tim Ryan/Hickenlooper
The best in an interview list is pretty similar, too (Though Warren gets bumped up to second in interviews). Harris interviews extremely well, her only problem is she's not particularly good at stump speeches. She has to be talking to someone directly for her charisma to really shine.
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yeaaaaaaahhhhhh after watching the debate, i'm on the harris train now. she was fuckin fire af.
You're not stating facts. You're stating what you want to believe. Bernie saying he wants to eliminate private insurance means exactly that. Folks saying they want to keep their existing coverage means they want their existing plans not their doctors. The question has been framed the same way for years.