Gift, grift. Tomato tomato
With DeBlasio being a wildcard only because I think he can easily out-New Yorker Trump in any debate.
Trump is actively destroying the country. Do whatever you can to get him out of the WH. There is no Democrat candidate that could be worse for the US than he is, no matter how far left (and there are not many particularly far left candidates).I'm a moderate republican completely turned off by Trump, but I'm not nearly as liberal as many on this board or many of the candidates but I will not be voting for Trump.
Do you think the best strategy for beating trump is going far to the left or finding someone in the middle that can take on some disaffected conservatives like myself?
I'm new to this side of ERA so direct me if I'm in wrong thread...
In all honesty, as bizarre as she came off and as odd as her tweets are, I think she's legitimately in it to do some good rather than as a grift.
Do you think the best strategy for beating trump is going far to the left or finding someone in the middle that can take on some disaffected conservatives like myself?
Trump is actively destroying the country. Do whatever you can to get him out of the WH. There is no Democrat candidate that could be worse for the US than he is, no matter how far left (and there are not many particularly far left candidates).
I think a DeBlasio/Trump debate would devolve into a shouting match in a thick New York accent. Which, in theory would be hilarious.I was mostly with you until this (although I think Pete has no chance against Trump).
DeBlasio would get slaughtered in a debate and it wouldn't even be fun to watch unless you're a New Yorker tired of your mayor.
"Vote for the Democrat". All you need for a moderate or a independent to vote for them is someone at least tolerable, and with Trump as the opponent, that's not hard to be. Last time, many people thought Clinton was not tolerable, due to decades of hate campaigns and times in the spotlight, everyone had their opinion before she even ran, or formed by negative media campaigns.
Which candidate do you lean to the most till now?
Framing a lazy attack as "true" when said attack is factually false. She is, factually, not a cop.
You're incapable of entertaining the thought of anyone but Bernie, so this is understandable. Feel better.I am highly pessimistic after this debate. It seems that liberals once again will get away with it and delusionally elect someone who will be ultimately destroyed in generals.
He polls well because people have a rosy view of Biden from the Obama years. He's trying to coast on nostalgia. This debate showed why he's not as strong as people like to imagine. Watch as the campaign goes along, I think his shine will fade.A biden like character with a progressive VP. With a progressive POC VP that could be a shoe in.
Looking at Bernie's campaign so far, he'd be a solid second choice.
It's a damn shame old white men are the only ones with a shot of beating trump, but that is the state of things for now.
I, mean there is a reason why Biden such a force in the party, polls and by the media I've seen, with the base too. He keeps having gaffed that should de rail him but he keeps his lead in the polls and position in the party.
His promise to take things how they were in the Obama years is a pretty damn effective remedy for a traumatized nation.
Thank youI'm kind of just getting into it based on debates, I liked Harris last night and I like Pete's personality and that he plays Spoon songs, but some of his rhetoric makes me think he can't beat trump :)
Some candidates like Bernie are a little out there for me on some fiscal policies I'm open to anyone for sure though!
When are they going to start reducing the amount of people that can join the debates because there's way too many people
"Destroyed" like winning the popular vote and losing by 100k voters in three states after a 40 year hate campaign, complicit media and explicit foreign election interference?I am highly pessimistic after this debate. It seems that liberals once again will get away with it and delusionally elect someone who will be ultimately destroyed in generals.
Pete and Kamala are bad, yesNot only that but would you take her or a man who told cops it's okay to beat people up.
I'm interested in people's EXISTING POLICY POSITIONS as criticisms, AKA some of the things Pete has said about not moving the embassy from Jerusalem.
you didn't state where you're at in terms of policy specifics so i am going to make some assumptions here. you can correct them if you think they're off baseI'm a moderate republican completely turned off by Trump, but I'm not nearly as liberal as many on this board or many of the candidates but I will not be voting for Trump.
Do you think the best strategy for beating trump is going far to the left or finding someone in the middle that can take on some disaffected conservatives like myself?
I'm new to this side of ERA so direct me if I'm in wrong thread...
I mean, you're arguing against a pattern of bad faith posting and concern trolling. It's nice of you to try but I don't expect you'll have much of an impact here."Destroyed" like winning the popular vote and losing by 100k voters in three states after a 40 year hate campaign, complicit media and explicit foreign election interference?
Is this a joke post?Pete and Kamala are bad, yes
These opinions arent mutually exclusive, as anyone who isnt Warren or Sanders might as well be wearing clown shoes
With 18.1 million tuning in to see Sen. Kamala Harris school the former VP, the simulcast across NBC, MSNBC, and Telemundo is officially the most watched debate that the party of FDR, JFK, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton has ever had.
Topping the previous high of the CNN-hosted and Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders-led yakfest of October 2015 by 2.6 million, last night's debate also had 9 million viewers and 14 million video views across all platforms such as NBCNews.com, MSNBC.com, Telemundo.com, NBC News NOW on OTT devices, Facebook, Twitter and YouTube.
NBC's coverage of Thursday's Democratic presidential debate delivered 8.8 million total viewers and a 1.9 demo rating, up 19 percent from the fast nationals for Night 1 and obviously dominating the night in both measures. With MSNBC and Telemundo coverage folded in, Night 2's audience grows to 18.1 million, besting the previous record set (in October 2015) for a Democratic presidential primary debate by 2.6 million. Plus, another nine million viewers watched via live streams.
People are so desperately trying to turn Kamala into "the next Hillary" by painting her as establishment, a corporate shill, etc. when there's literally nothing in common with the two.
Literally any of the real candidates sans Biden will do a lot of good. Harris, Warren, Sanders, I will enthusiastically vote for any of these three.
But of course literally nothing but Bernie will satisfy some of y'all and I'm sure you'll poison the discourse enough on our eventual candidate to get Trump another four years and fuck this country up enough to last my lifetime. :)
BTW fuck all y'all white boys trying so hard to paint Kamala as "a cop" without ever experiencing a smidge of racism yourself.
TBH I consider myself an ardent Bernie supporter and came away from the debate thinking he didn't do so hot and that I would be satisfied voting for Kamala as well.
you didn't state where you're at in terms of policy specifics so i am going to make some assumptions here. you can correct them if you think they're off base
when you say you are a moderate republican who is turned off by trump, that sounds to me like someone who wants low taxes, but who dislikes trump because of what he is doing to usa's institutions, reputation abroad, the democratic system itself and how his policy severely hurts one or more of the following groups: non-white people, LGBT people, immigrants
is that about correct?
then i would ask you, if the democrats were to nominate a candidate relatively far to the left. someone who wouldn't even be shy of increasing taxes quite a bit, how would you vote? would you vote for that left-wing candidate or stay at home / vote third party? what would you consider more important: restoring your country's institutions, reputation, democracy and dignity of the groups trump go after on the one hand, or maintaining really low taxes on the other hand?
if you would be able to stomach higher taxes for restoring those aspects of american life that trump is threatening, then so would likely many other moderates like yourself. in that case, nominating someone who would enthuse people on the left would likely be the better strategy, if moderates like yourself could still stomach voting for someone like that in order to get rid of trump
Actually the only people that are attacking her are the same people that have always been attacking her. I.E. people that see her as a threat to Bernie getting his coronation. Bernie fans are doubling their attacks on her after how fantastically she performed last night.Some argued that Sanders was being strategic by not being aggressive with Biden because it would turn off people who like Biden (even if he's not their first choice), and now I'm thinking that might have been good, if some of the reactions over Kamala attacking Biden are anything to go by.
im thinking sanders should have been more aggressive tbh. hes plenty critical of other candidates on social media (his team is) and when it came down to it he barely touched biden or anyone elseSome argued that Sanders was being strategic by not being aggressive with Biden because it would turn off people who like Biden (even if he's not their first choice), and now I'm thinking that might have been good, if some of the reactions over Kamala attacking Biden are anything to go by.
yeah dude you got itActually the only people that are attacking her are the same people that have always been attacking her. I.E. people that see her as a threat to Bernie getting his coronation. Bernie fans are doubling their attacks on her after how fantastically she performed last night.
Some argued that Sanders was being strategic by not being aggressive with Biden because it would turn off people who like Biden (even if he's not their first choice), and now I'm thinking that might have been good, if some of the reactions over Kamala attacking Biden are anything to go by.
Some argued that Sanders was being strategic by not being aggressive with Biden because it would turn off people who like Biden (even if he's not their first choice), and now I'm thinking that might have been good, if some of the reactions over Kamala attacking Biden are anything to go by.
I'm happy with any candidate that eliminates student debt and makes college free , i'd Imagine that'd spark a housing boom and have a huge impact on a large portion of the populations lifetime net worth ... take it out of the defense budget
I am highly pessimistic after this debate. It seems that liberals once again will get away with it and delusionally elect someone who will be ultimately destroyed in generals.
I am highly pessimistic after this debate. It seems that liberals once again will get away with it and delusionally elect someone who will be ultimately destroyed in generals.
It depends on how they do it. I agree that simply saying "college is free" is mostly only benefitting rich kids. If community college were made free and treated as a 13th and 14th year of public school I'd be on board with that. I don't want rich people getting a break on their kids' tuition. It's probably the only thing I agree with Sanders on.
You're not stating facts. You're stating what you want to believe. Bernie saying he wants to eliminate private insurance means exactly that. Folks saying they want to keep their existing coverage means they want their existing plans not their doctors. The question has been framed the same way for years.I was not being disingenuous. I just stated a fact. And that fact doesn't disagree with what you're saying either.
People care about their doctors and health care centers. When people speak of private insurance, that is how they are judged by. The media is trying their hardest to conflate private insurance with the former. It's just a dumb argument. They're acting like the boss can't change your private insurance and they're also acting like Medicare will not allow you to go to your preferred doctor and health care center.
I would imagine they're going to bring up the "muh jobs" argument soon. Though, it's already factored into the costs to help employees transition away from the job. As is the way to bring everyone into it. It starts by lowering the age and including kids year one. It gradually brings everyone into the plan within 2-4 years (depending on whether you go with Rashida Tlaib's plan or Bernie's plan).