Seeing more of their tag team is going to be real fun in upcoming debates, especially since people have been trying their best to pit them against each other.
Seeing more of their tag team is going to be real fun in upcoming debates, especially since people have been trying their best to pit them against each other.
Seeing more of their tag team is going to be real fun in upcoming debates, especially since people have been trying their best to pit them against each other.
Oh, there's going to be a lot of disingenuousness surrounding Warren and Sanders going forward.people are going to keep disingenuously suggesting that one of them needs to drop and I'm going to keep loving the fact that two of the fiercest challengers right now are progressives. never thought I'd see this day tbh. I'm not that old but this primary has made me feel old. that the entire primary so far has been framed around a progressive agenda is kind of wild. like healthcare, the line in the sand is M4A and you're either on one side or the other and even if you're against it you're making your case from that framing.
Tulsi keeps capping for Joe and its weirding me out. She trying to move towards a VP spot if hes nominated?
Tulsi keeps capping for Joe and its weirding me out. She trying to move towards a VP spot if hes nominated?
Also, imagine signal boosting a radically antigay freak like Gabbard. So leftist.
Gabbard v. Pence will be hilarious.Yes that's what she's doing
Bridge between Biden and Kamala seems burned. Stacey said no. He seems to be on the "I'm gonnna pick a woman" train and Biden has a sensitive ego so I can see what she's doing here actually working seeing as how everyone but her seems desperate to dunk on him
No, that is not the claim. That is a straw man you and others are creating and attributing to other people instead of actually reckoning with what's been happening.So wait, I'm still a little confused on this. Is the idea that's seriously being put forth by a few people here really that the Russians somehow got directly involved with Gabbard's campaign and made her (or got her to?) ask those questions to Harris during a live debate? Twitter bots or whatever are seemingly entirely unrelated to what actually happened during a debate.
That's the conspiracy that they're rolling with? We seriously can't be at that point already, I'd hope.
Tulsi keeps capping for Joe and its weirding me out. She trying to move towards a VP spot if hes nominated?
Tulsi keeps capping for Joe and its weirding me out. She trying to move towards a VP spot if hes nominated?
Are we really expecting the man who is personally responsible for Clarence Thomas being on the Supreme Court to be perceptive to the reasons why people on here don't like herTulsi ain't gonna do shit except launch a few more broadsides. There's no way she's even under consideration for the VP slot for anyone.
It's the tingling in your skin when Bernard reaches into the future to smack lobbyists upside the head using his socialist Force powers."I don't know what it is, but he makes my skin crawl."
This it?
Are we really expecting the man who is personally responsible for Clarence Thomas being on the Supreme Court to be perceptive to the reasons why people on here don't like her
None of the last 4 make any claim that Tulsi's directly coordinating with Russian efforts.
Oh so that makes Tulsi's rabid homophobia ok? Also, lol "cop."As opposed to the anti-trans cop who actually used her position to materially hurt trans people that you all seem to love. So leftist
Oh so that makes Tulsi's rabid homophobia ok? Also, lol "cop."
Very creepy post.
hey, can you please stop bullying other posters? thanksOh so that makes Tulsi's rabid homophobia ok? Also, lol "cop."
Very creepy post.
Let's avoid putting words in the mouths of others. You know neither my gender self identification nor my sexuality nor my relationship to activism with regards to disenfranchised people. Have a nice night.I never said that lmao, Tulsi can get in the bin. You're the one in here doing the cis gay "I only care about queers when it affects me" thing by calling out Tulsi's shit and handwaving the way Harris materially harmed trans prisoners as red scare
Hey, can you stop misusing the term bullying? thanks.
After you're in here accusing others of being creepy anti gay russian signal boosters because they said "yes those facts about Harris's record are true"? Yes, let's avoid putting words in other people's mouths. Please
I'm sorry, dear, what? I thought Warren was great this week. Besos.After you're in here accusing others of being creepy anti gay russian signal boosters because they said "yes those facts about Harris's record are true"? Yes, let's avoid putting words in other people's mouths. Please
I know it's hard when favorite candidates faceplant during debates (first Beto, now Kamala), but there's really no need to get conspiratorial or try to smear other posters because of it. It's tacky. And sad.
No candidate saw movement outside the survey's margin of error of 2 percentage points. The Aug. 1 poll was conducted among 2,419registered voters who indicated they may vote in the Democratic primary or caucus in their state.
The latest debates did not move the needle like the Miami debates in June, which saw Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) double her vote share in the immediate aftermath, moving from 6 percent of the vote to 12 percent, and Biden's support dropping 5 percentage points.
Both debates this week brought similar dynamics as the first round, with lesser-known candidates aiming their fire on the stage's front-runners. On Tuesday, Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) faced criticism over their ideology from their more moderate peers, while the second night saw Biden and Harris criticized over their records.
While pundits applauded Warren for her performance in night one of CNN's two-night debate — both for zinging former Rep. John Delaney (Md.) and spotlighting policy issues such as health care — her and Sanders' more progressive policy stances were targets for their more centrist counterparts.
Candidates used Wednesday to attack front-runner Biden over his criminal justice record and the Obama administration's deportation record, but their attempts to discredit the former vice president were largely unfruitful in terms of changing voters' minds — at least in the short term. Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (Hawaii) also used the stage to criticize Harris' record as attorney general of California.
https://morningconsult.com/2019/07/...l-race-closer-among-primary-likeliest-voters/
Completely ignoring the part where your hypocrisy is pointed out and then trying to kiss me?I'm sorry, dear, what? I thought Warren was great this week. Besos.
No, that is not the claim. That is a straw man you and others are creating and attributing to other people instead of actually reckoning with what's been happening.
The following things are all true
a) Harris's record as a prosecutor has been the subject of debate for months and people have been talking about it
b) Harris didn't respond well to a line of attack she should have known was coming
The following things are also all true
a) Tulsi's been getting a lot of support from conservatives during this primary season. (see: that redstate article ALSO trying to strawman anything Russia-related.)
b) In attacking Harris, one of the claims appears to have been sourced directly from a conservative media outlet- the factcheckers couldn't find it anywhere else
c) Russian bots have been actively promoting Tulsi's campaign this entire cycle, and when it was reported on, Tulsi attacked the reporters
d) Russian bots have also been going after Harris with racist attacks since the prior debate
None of the last 4 make any claim that Tulsi's directly coordinating with Russian efforts. It's completely unnecessary to go that far. Her documented behavior is bad enough on its own. None of this is an attempt to "drown out" discussion of those other issues (hell how many Harris discussions have we had prior to this?) unless your issue with discussion of the bots is because you are actively happy with what the bots are doing because they're going after someone you don't like and/or propping up someone you do.
I don't think she's a Russian agent, but she's perfect for that type of role being a Republican posing as a Democrat in these debates.
Tulsi is the vector here and they only activated with one of these targets.
See, Biden actually hasn't dropped from his average. The opposite, actually, his low point was post the last debate by a couple of weeks and he's gone back to his mid point since. And Bernie's numbers have barely budged at all.So we're starting to get polling throughout, or post, the debate. It looks like Sanders is thus far firmly holding onto second place.
Of course we'll probably see some slight adjustments in the coming week or so. Hopefully Biden drops further and the progressive coalition continues to pick up steam.
Looks like we're all just Biden our time.First fully after debate poll:
https://morningconsult.com/2019/08/02/detroit-debates-deliver-meager-returns-for-bidens-challengers/
For the record, Biden recovered his numbers entirely from last months debate. There was a dip, for about two weeks, before people flocked back to him. Harris was not "destroyed" by Gabbard in the polls, Bernie and Warren's zingers didn't change anyone's minds. On a side note, the eight in the graph are the only ones who qualify for the next debate atm.
Nice to see Warren get a little bump. I'm still hoping something can shake Biden, maybe a smaller debate field will open him to some lines of attack from Forma.First fully after debate poll:
https://morningconsult.com/2019/08/02/detroit-debates-deliver-meager-returns-for-bidens-challengers/
For the record, Biden recovered his numbers entirely from last months debate. There was a dip, for about two weeks, before people flocked back to him. Harris was not "destroyed" by Gabbard in the polls, Bernie and Warren's zingers didn't change anyone's minds. On a side note, the eight in the graph are the only ones who qualify for the next debate atm.
I'm actually starting to doubt if the debate are going to have much of an effect on Biden's numbers. The one before this one did shake up the numbers for two weeks, but things went right back to where they were in the last couple of weeks and this one didn't change a thing. Also, I have the feeling that the things that people like Bernie and Warren to say at the debates wrt to healthcare and otherwise actually don't help them in the polls.Nice to see Warren get a little bump. I'm still hoping something can shake Biden, maybe a smaller debate field will open him to some lines of attack from Forma.
Maybe. But it seems like aside from Harris's attack on him in the first debate, no one has gone in too hard yet. I do worry that he's a lock but it seems far from inevitable.I'm actually starting to doubt if the debate are going to have much of an effect on Biden's numbers. The one before this one did shake up the numbers for two weeks, but things went right back to where they were in the last couple of weeks and this one didn't change a thing. Also, I have the feeling that the things that people like Bernie and Warren to say at the debates wrt to healthcare and otherwise actually don't help them in the polls.
The last debate was 90% people attacking Biden. It's why he got nearly double the time as everyone else. I'm getting the impression that people are starting to take it as an attack on Obama.Maybe. But it seems like aside from Harris's attack on him in the first debate, no one has gone in too hard yet. I do worry that he's a lock but it seems far from inevitable.
Biden needs to actually poop his pants and have drool running out of his mouth on stage for people to start jumping ship
Is it a lie, though? At this point a merely bad debate is good enough.Media spin when for Biden when he merely has a BAD debate 'BIDEN DID WELL ENOUGH!'
Warren dropping out would give a bigger bump to Harris than Bernie.Will Warren dropout though? Bernie is firmly in second place and MANY polls put him at double of her. And she has had two spectacular debates, yet it seems she has a very firm ceiling of 15% or 9% depending on the poll.
Warren dropping out would give a bigger bump to Harris than Bernie.
"Why didn't everyone soil themselves on stage last night?"Media spin when for Biden when he merely has a BAD debate 'BIDEN DID WELL ENOUGH!'
No it's August polling so obvious we know now that Sanders is going to poll better than Warren and Kamala when it matters, so they both need to drop out now so BIden can be defeated!can we please stop with the x-candidate polling above 10% should drop out until some votes are cast? please
unless you're talking about Biden
No it's August polling so obvious we know now that Sanders is going to poll better than Warren and Kamala when it matters, so they both need to drop out now so BIden can be defeated!
I mean Bernie is my second choice, but come on now.
What about the irrelevant dropping out first like Gillibrand, De Blasio, Inslee, Delaney, Ryan and Hickenlooper
Seriously. How about a debate with only the candidates who actually matter before the major leaguers start droppingWhat about the irrelevant dropping out first like Gillibrand, De Blasio, Inslee, Delaney, Ryan and Hickenlooper