Seeing more of their tag team is going to be real fun in upcoming debates, especially since people have been trying their best to pit them against each other.
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2020 Presidential Democratic Primary Debates 3&4 |OT| July 30-31, 2019
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people are going to keep disingenuously suggesting that one of them needs to drop and I'm going to keep loving the fact that two of the fiercest challengers right now are progressives. never thought I'd see this day tbh. I'm not that old but this primary has made me feel old. that the entire primary so far has been framed around a progressive agenda is kind of wild. like healthcare, the line in the sand is M4A and you're either on one side or the other and even if you're against it you're making your case from that framing.
Oh, there's going to be a lot of disingenuousness surrounding Warren and Sanders going forward.
"I'll take 'Rhymes with Prussian Incoherence' for $1000, Alex"
So wait, I'm still a little confused on this. Is the idea that's seriously being put forth by a few people here really that the Russians somehow got directly involved with Gabbard's campaign and made her (or got her to?) ask those questions to Harris during a live debate? Twitter bots or whatever are seemingly entirely unrelated to what actually happened during a debate.
That's the conspiracy that they're rolling with? We seriously can't be at that point already, I'd hope.
That's the conspiracy that they're rolling with? We seriously can't be at that point already, I'd hope.
Tulsi keeps capping for Joe and its weirding me out. She trying to move towards a VP spot if hes nominated?
Yes that's what she's doing
Bridge between Biden and Kamala seems burned. Stacey said no. He seems to be on the "I'm gonnna pick a woman" train and Biden has a sensitive ego so I can see what she's doing here actually working seeing as how everyone but her seems desperate to dunk on him
As opposed to the anti-trans cop who actually used her position to materially hurt trans people that you all seem to love. So leftist
No, that is not the claim. That is a straw man you and others are creating and attributing to other people instead of actually reckoning with what's been happening.
The following things are all true
a) Harris's record as a prosecutor has been the subject of debate for months and people have been talking about it
b) Harris didn't respond well to a line of attack she should have known was coming
The following things are also all true
a) Tulsi's been getting a lot of support from conservatives during this primary season. (see: that redstate article ALSO trying to strawman anything Russia-related.)
b) In attacking Harris, one of the claims appears to have been sourced directly from a conservative media outlet- the factcheckers couldn't find it anywhere else
c) Russian bots have been actively promoting Tulsi's campaign this entire cycle, and when it was reported on, Tulsi attacked the reporters
d) Russian bots have also been going after Harris with racist attacks since the prior debate
None of the last 4 make any claim that Tulsi's directly coordinating with Russian efforts. It's completely unnecessary to go that far. Her documented behavior is bad enough on its own. None of this is an attempt to "drown out" discussion of those other issues (hell how many Harris discussions have we had prior to this?) unless your issue with discussion of the bots is because you are actively happy with what the bots are doing because they're going after someone you don't like and/or propping up someone you do.
It shouldn't be weirding you out, she's not a "progressive" at all, unless your definition of "progressive" includes those interested in a herrenvolk state.
Anyone that knew her beyond her support of Bernie in 2016 would not find this surprising
She isn't a progressive
Are we really expecting the man who is personally responsible for Clarence Thomas being on the Supreme Court to be perceptive to the reasons why people on here don't like her
It's the tingling in your skin when Bernard reaches into the future to smack lobbyists upside the head using his socialist Force powers.
It's still a conspiracy theory though, by definition. Not about Tulsi, but the Russians. Doesn't make it inaccurate, but it is what it is.
Oh so that makes Tulsi's rabid homophobia ok? Also, lol "cop."
Very creepy post.
So we're starting to get polling throughout, or post, the debate. It looks like Sanders is thus far firmly holding onto second place.
Of course we'll probably see some slight adjustments in the coming week or so. Hopefully Biden drops further and the progressive coalition continues to pick up steam.
Of course we'll probably see some slight adjustments in the coming week or so. Hopefully Biden drops further and the progressive coalition continues to pick up steam.
I never said that lmao, Tulsi can get in the bin. You're the one in here doing the cis gay "I only care about queers when it affects me" thing by calling out Tulsi's shit and handwaving the way Harris materially harmed trans prisoners as red scare
hey, can you please stop bullying other posters? thanks
Let's avoid putting words in the mouths of others. You know neither my gender self identification nor my sexuality nor my relationship to activism with regards to disenfranchised people. Have a nice night.
Hey, can you stop misusing the term bullying? thanks.
After you're in here accusing others of being creepy anti gay russian signal boosters because they said "yes those facts about Harris's record are true"? Yes, let's avoid putting words in other people's mouths. Please
I know it's hard when favorite candidates faceplant during debates (first Beto, now Kamala), but there's really no need to get conspiratorial or try to smear other posters because of it. It's tacky. And sad.
I'm sorry, dear, what? I thought Warren was great this week. Besos.
First fully after debate poll:
For the record, Biden recovered his numbers entirely from last months debate. There was a dip, for about two weeks, before people flocked back to him. Harris was not "destroyed" by Gabbard in the polls, Bernie and Warren's zingers didn't change anyone's minds. On a side note, the eight in the graph are the only ones who qualify for the next debate atm.
https://morningconsult.com/2019/08/02/detroit-debates-deliver-meager-returns-for-bidens-challengers/
For the record, Biden recovered his numbers entirely from last months debate. There was a dip, for about two weeks, before people flocked back to him. Harris was not "destroyed" by Gabbard in the polls, Bernie and Warren's zingers didn't change anyone's minds. On a side note, the eight in the graph are the only ones who qualify for the next debate atm.
Completely ignoring the part where your hypocrisy is pointed out and then trying to kiss me?
Very creepy post.
Good job supporting Warren. It's a shame she seems to be on such good terms, and has such similar policy, with very bad man.
I'm just not sure that the conversation has been as nuanced as you describe, when we have quotes like these:
And I'm sorry, but stuff like that is just kind of absurd and serves quite well to steer the conversation to revolve mostly around Russia and bots.
See, Biden actually hasn't dropped from his average. The opposite, actually, his low point was post the last debate by a couple of weeks and he's gone back to his mid point since. And Bernie's numbers have barely budged at all.
Looks like we're all just Biden our time.First fully after debate poll:
https://morningconsult.com/2019/08/02/detroit-debates-deliver-meager-returns-for-bidens-challengers/
For the record, Biden recovered his numbers entirely from last months debate. There was a dip, for about two weeks, before people flocked back to him. Harris was not "destroyed" by Gabbard in the polls, Bernie and Warren's zingers didn't change anyone's minds. On a side note, the eight in the graph are the only ones who qualify for the next debate atm.
Biden needs to actually poop his pants and have drool running out of his mouth on stage for people to start jumping ship
Nice to see Warren get a little bump. I'm still hoping something can shake Biden, maybe a smaller debate field will open him to some lines of attack from Forma.First fully after debate poll:
https://morningconsult.com/2019/08/02/detroit-debates-deliver-meager-returns-for-bidens-challengers/
For the record, Biden recovered his numbers entirely from last months debate. There was a dip, for about two weeks, before people flocked back to him. Harris was not "destroyed" by Gabbard in the polls, Bernie and Warren's zingers didn't change anyone's minds. On a side note, the eight in the graph are the only ones who qualify for the next debate atm.
I'm actually starting to doubt if the debate are going to have much of an effect on Biden's numbers. The one before this one did shake up the numbers for two weeks, but things went right back to where they were in the last couple of weeks and this one didn't change a thing. Also, I have the feeling that the things that people like Bernie and Warren to say at the debates wrt to healthcare and otherwise actually don't help them in the polls.
Either case, I doubt there will be any attacks that have the emotional impact of Harris in the first debate. People are probably getting inoculated to the Biden attacks and starting to tune them out.
Maybe. But it seems like aside from Harris's attack on him in the first debate, no one has gone in too hard yet. I do worry that he's a lock but it seems far from inevitable.
The last debate was 90% people attacking Biden. It's why he got nearly double the time as everyone else. I'm getting the impression that people are starting to take it as an attack on Obama.
Media spin when for Biden when he merely has a BAD debate 'BIDEN DID WELL ENOUGH!'
Is it a lie, though? At this point a merely bad debate is good enough.
Will Warren dropout though? Bernie is firmly in second place and MANY polls put him at double of her. And she has had two spectacular debates, yet it seems she has a very firm ceiling of 15% or 9% depending on the poll.
Warren dropping out would give a bigger bump to Harris than Bernie.
Then Harris should drop out too so the not-Biden forces can get behind the closest adversary. Pete can stay as he serves as a spoiler for Biden more so than against Bernie.
can we please stop with the x-candidate polling above 10% should drop out until some votes are cast? please
unless you're talking about Biden
unless you're talking about Biden
"Why didn't everyone soil themselves on stage last night?"
"Pooping your pants is relatable to the midwestern working class"
No it's August polling so obvious we know now that Sanders is going to poll better than Warren and Kamala when it matters, so they both need to drop out now so BIden can be defeated!
I mean Bernie is my second choice, but come on now. If everybody drops out Bernie will win!
What about the irrelevant dropping out first like Gillibrand, De Blasio, Inslee, Delaney, Ryan and Hickenlooper
none of the top candidates are dropping out now. they would be dumb to hence any discussion about one of them dropping out is just absolutely worthless
there are more debates to be had and you can bet your ass unless something drastically changes biden, bernie, warren, and harris are going to be in the race for the first primary states
of course
I'm mostly just talking about how absolutely dumb the petty sniping is between people trying to say bernie should drop out to clear a path for warren and the people responding by saying warren should drop out to clear a path for bernie
like, yeah, one of them isn't going to win but fuckin' a, it's august. chill
also can everyone please take a moment to appreciate that we have two candidates like bernie and warren polling where they are, having the debate presence that they have had, and basically dictating the primary narrative in regards to the debate around policy
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Seriously. How about a debate with only the candidates who actually matter before the major leaguers start dropping
Half of both of these debates were taken up with blathering from nobodies hoping for a future cabinet position. Such a waste of time
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