Who the hell are the 5% of people who have never heard of Trump or Obama???
Do yall think the debates will ever be less of a show and more actual debating? I hope all the future debates aren't locked to CNN.
Who the hell are the 5% of people who have never heard of Trump or Obama???
Warren isn't dropping out and Bernie fans who hope for one of the few viable women candidates to drop out....isn't the best look.
Bernie won't ever poll above 25%. Thats his ceiling.
When you talk about momentum in a campaign, Warren is slowly building hers and will ride on towards the nom. When she shows up Biden in a debate or elsewhere on the trail, you will see her surge past him.
Nationally? Regionally? By state? Overall? That simply isn't true and has never been true. We've already seen Sanders poll well above 25% in 2016, not to mention that polling in 2018 showed him to be the most popular politician in America. That's some wacked out, incorrect, shit you're saying.
Bernie won't ever poll above 25%. Thats his ceiling.
When you talk about momentum in a campaign, Warren is slowly building hers and will ride on towards the nom. When she shows up Biden in a debate or elsewhere on the trail, you will see her surge past him.
When he wasn't running for president. Hilary had higher polling when she wants running, too. It proves nothing about his viability as a president.
That depends on the poll:He's actually the most liked person running for president right now.
That depends on the poll:
(That's also a more recent poll) Either case, it's really only competition between Bernie or Biden on favorability since everyone else still has a LOT less name rec. May I say that's it's impressive that De Blasio manages to have the most unfavorability with abysmal name rec?
3 fallacies and counting. Impressive work. The truth of the matter is that nothing you've said is relevant to the points being made, and simply having 'higher' numbers by itself does not adequately address any relative differences in polling between candidates. It's a deflectionary tactic of no substance.
Beyond that, I could point to many politicians that have held elected office and weren't running, never having reached such high water marks, and it still wouldn't be relevant to the wholely dishonest claim that Sanders has a ceiling of 25%.
If you're at all interested in substantive discussion — taking the path that seems to just be about ripping down a candidate at any cost is a weird route to take.
Of course higher numbers count when it comes to winning elections, those numbers certainly didn't get him the nomination when last Bernie ran. The fact is Hillary had to take a dive before he could get those results with polling, had been that popular before he might have posed a real challenge in '16 after Super Tuesday. Maybe in '20 we'll get new results, but until then we have history to base his popular on.
Because when it really counts it doesn't appear, and this ignores the context for what happened for this to be possible. Which relied on Hillary losing to Trump. That poll wasn't done in a vacuum or on an Earth where Hillary won the presidency, it was done at that specific time and place.
Where is this complaining when people do this with other candidates running? I'm not ripping down Bernie "at all cost" it's pointing out facts about his numbers and to demystify his real popularity in America.
I wanted Bernie to win against Hillary, but I accept that the reality of 4 years later, and being the same message people just have a bad perception of him. Saying the same old things, which is true and fine because he was so progressive back then and still today with the same ideas, so how can he change the message? I do also think his age and being 4 years older now is a perception problem. Thats why I think he will be stuck around 25%.
I am glad a number of Bernie supporters last time around also realize that Warren is a better bet going against Trump.
Someone just posted a poll that has him with very high unfavorables, with only de Blasio having a higher unfavorable ratingIt's a fair opinion to prefer Warren over Sanders, but there's nothing of substance to suggest that people have a bad perception of him.
Safe old white guy? "He tells it like it is."What the fuck do voters see in Joe Biden? Is it love for president Obama?
My fan fiction has Bernie getting 100% of the delegates and then deferring to Warren because he's such a gentleman. She returns the favor, but while they're busy competing for the smallest ego, somehow Hickenlooper swoops in and takes the nom right before the buzzer. Warren just smiles and dumps gatorade on Bernie, and then everyone laughs
Take a look at his recent popularity polling. You can't have it both ways. You can't argue that his high polling was the subject of time and place and then use past performances where 'his support didn't show when it counted' (this is blatantly untrue) to discount the CURRENT Sanders support in completely different scenarios.
I've complained in this fashion about arguements made against other candidates, so have others.
Tulsi is a homophobic Assad apologist who will carry water for right wing religious sects that support conversion therapy.
Tulsi is a homophobic Assad apologist who will carry water for right wing religious sects that support conversion therapy.
yesWhat the fuck do voters see in Joe Biden? Is it love for president Obama?
She is a homophobic racist.
Same with Ryan, Hickenlooper, Delaney, Sanders, etc, etc.Tulsi shouldn't even be close to getting on the ticket.
Neither should Kamala.
I mean Ryan is the only GenXer but he's still terrible.
What the fuck do voters see in Joe Biden? Is it love for president Obama?
Biden would have to be brain dead not to use Obama as a shield. If any politician could leverage someone with 97% approval rating, they would.Yes, because he was the VP people have this idea that he must share Obama's ideals and therefore any attack on him is taken as an attack on Obama (not helped by Biden freely using Obama as a shield whenever he can).
I dont think Biden is spitefulYes that's what she's doing
Bridge between Biden and Kamala seems burned. Stacey said no. He seems to be on the "I'm gonnna pick a woman" train and Biden has a sensitive ego so I can see what she's doing here actually
I haven't seriously looked into them because her candidacy is a joke, but people aren't allowed to grow and change?Anyone who likes Tulsi either doesn't care about her homophobic statements or agrees with her offensive statements about gay people.
It's horrible to watch her fans online (mostly places like Reddit) who just don't give a shit about gay people and still try to convince people they are left. Sorry, no one is buying that act.
Tulsi is the only person running in which I couldn't bring myself to vote top of the ticket if she was on it. I couldn't live with myself voting someone who hates such contempt for gay people.
Anyone who likes Tulsi either doesn't care about her homophobic statements or agrees with her offensive statements about gay people.
It's horrible to watch her fans online (mostly places like Reddit) who just don't give a shit about gay people and still try to convince people they are left. Sorry, no one is buying that act.
Tulsi is the only person running in which I couldn't bring myself to vote top of the ticket if she was on it. I couldn't live with myself voting someone who hates such contempt for gay people.
I think Tulsi is a bad candidate for many reasons, but you can make this argument about most candidates if you replace the target demographic.
With Russian bots, Republicans, and hype from destroying Harris, she's gonna ascendI really don't get how Tulsi is getting so much play in this thread - she is polling at 1% and is a worse candidate than even Biden
Someone just posted a poll that has him with very high unfavorables, with only de Blasio having a higher unfavorable rating
I really don't get how Tulsi is getting so much play in this thread - she is polling at 1% and is a worse candidate than even Biden
Some folks are so threatened by certain candidates that they'll boost anyone who draws blood from them, even if it's a homophobic, racist extremist.I really don't get how Tulsi is getting so much play in this thread - she is polling at 1% and is a worse candidate than even Biden
There are some people online who rather have a homophobe than a "moderate".Some folks are so threatened by certain candidates that they'll boost anyone who draws blood from them, even if it's a homophobic, racist extremist.