I still think this is very light on just how shitty this whole situation is, but this is still the best video I've seen on the issue.
Thanks Jim.
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4A Games developer: If Metro Exodus does not sell on the PC, the next Metro will not come out for it (Up: Deep Silver Official Response)
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I still think this is very light on just how shitty this whole situation is, but this is still the best video I've seen on the issue.
Thanks Jim.
'People are signed up to enough bloody shit.'
Right on.
'Cost' isn't only about money anyway. Spending 400€ once every 5-7 years on a console is quite irrelevant to me (let's ignore paid online), what isn't though is having to juggle a dozen different stores, accounts, launchers on a daily basis. Inconvenience and having to deal with crappy, feature-less software from companies I don't want to give my information to and which I can't trust to be still in the PC gaming business 10 years from now is the real cost I'm not comfortable paying.
There isn't any money in writing about games anymore (which is actually a shame considering how big this industry has become) so those joints have to hire the absolute bottom of the barrel. In don't think authors like the quoted are getting paid by Epic, I think they're just really unskilled at their job, random folks with no prior experience in, well, anything.
Right on.
'Cost' isn't only about money anyway. Spending 400€ once every 5-7 years on a console is quite irrelevant to me (let's ignore paid online), what isn't though is having to juggle a dozen different stores, accounts, launchers on a daily basis. Inconvenience and having to deal with crappy, feature-less software from companies I don't want to give my information to and which I can't trust to be still in the PC gaming business 10 years from now is the real cost I'm not comfortable paying.
There isn't any money in writing about games anymore (which is actually a shame considering how big this industry has become) so those joints have to hire the absolute bottom of the barrel. In don't think authors like the quoted are getting paid by Epic, I think they're just really unskilled at their job, random folks with no prior experience in, well, anything.
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Agreed, I don't want to waste my life because publishers want a bigger cut while charging me more money, fuck that.
Oh boy. When did Jim become a hyper-toxic computer cowboy?
I agree, but it wasn't a full fledged Jimquisition episode. Still, thank GOD for JIM!
Did you even watch the content??? He said himself he tends to just get games on console, but he can see the issues with the decision.
EDIT: Flips' post was a joke and I totally didn't pick up on the dryness and as a dry humor guy I'm so disappointed in myself.
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they ain't competing for customers, they competing for publishers and developers and so far customer's are not happy.
It's not cheaper.(more expensive actually in many cases). Yes its absolutely fucking anti-consumer. They've literally paid to remove all options from me and from all stores I could buy it from.
It's extremely difficult to tell a joke vs actual stupid shit people say, I also thought you were a muppet and had no idea it was a joke. /s is always a good idea lol.
For future reference, "hyper toxic computer cowboy" is basically a PCera meme at this point. Anyone who says it is almost certainly joking.
That's why I explained it. I didn't expect them to know it beforehand
Boy I wish people would have that expectation more often cause that'd make sense
I don't recall if I said it here or not but there's so many other games to play! Exodus looks decent so I'll be disappointed a little bit, but on to other quality games!
Honestly it's pretty high on my list, so for me personally I'm pretty pissed at Deep Silver.
Yep. When a game is surrounded by shit like this i don't even care anymore. It goes to the bottom of the list and maybe someday i'll take a look at it again. Too much good stuff out there. Yay actual competition.
I don't know about you, but I personally love to sometimes having to reinstall my entire operating system because the game store refuses to download a game or decides to redownload it a few times over and over.
Who wouldn't want that? Everyone who is a hater, that's who!
That's just embarrassing. I need to stop reading pc gamers' opinion about EGS for a while.
Oh yeah, let's not forget about that influencer dev charge (5% and higher), but it's all great on Epic's store.
We've had dozens of topics here on Era covering why the majority of pc gamers won't use the windows store. You're just trolling now.
Great video by Jim. Of course that's still not going to stop the flood of ignorant people claiming this is beneficial competition.
He's probably right about the boycot. Although I have a hunch people will wait for the Steam release rather than buy off Epic.
He's probably right about the boycot. Although I have a hunch people will wait for the Steam release rather than buy off Epic.
Just ignore trolls and astroturfers. I personally put them on ignore. At this point these folks are not arguing in good faith.
He was literally in another thread arguing that GFWL was less intrusive than Steam. I would just ignore him.
I've never been able to keep Windows Store games working for long, despite a lot of troubleshooting. I did a reinstall once at Microsoft's recommendation but never again.
Official Response from 4A Games
Confirmed that it was the opinion of one person and not the position of the company?
That's why the title says "4A Games developer:" and not just "4A Games:".
People were claiming it might be fake and that this guy wasn't a dev. That's the whole reason why we have unconfirmed in the title.
We always knew that if it was true, it was just one angry developer not talking for the whole company.
Good on Koch/THQ for that "Hey, leave the devs alone they had nothing to do with it. If you want to yell at somebody on Twitter, at least yell at us" line
I can respect that.
I can respect that.
Kinda curious to me that Epic pitched their store as seeking to "advance the cause of all developers", and yet here apparently the developer had "no control over" over this decision.
I hope the individual dev speaking their mind doesn't get fired or anything, but this whole thing is a mess. Deep Silver should be reflecting on how their decision and communication has squandered so much goodwill.
I hope the individual dev speaking their mind doesn't get fired or anything, but this whole thing is a mess. Deep Silver should be reflecting on how their decision and communication has squandered so much goodwill.
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Honestly, the Epic complaining is peanuts compared to when Steam was in it's first year.
Holy hell, you would have thought that Valve was trying to kill PC gaming. And while it did kill resale of PC games, it didn't kill the industry.
And the couple of people who did were immediately shut down by PC gamers, who pointed out 4A weren't at fault.
All this 4A stuff only started when this idiot opened his mouth
Why don't Valve offer the same terms as Epic, but you only get the same level as support as the Epic Launcher provides? So no access to cloud saves or any of those consumer friendly options, just a barebones experience.
What killed resale of PC games was serial keys + no-cd.
Because overall, it'd hurt the ecosystem they established.
"Steam offers these features... Except for this game... not for this game... This game support this but not this..."
And let's be honest: The 12% cut isn't sustainable. It's not sustainable if you want to grow a platform in term of feature. It's not sustainable if you want to cultivate storefront competition.
Because Microsoft Store is a huge piece of crap with a forced, inferior format that is UWP... And that Microsoft doesn't deserve to compete in the PC market anymore after GFWL which was closed in 2014 btw.
Official Staff Communication
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Thanks for letting us know so we could update things fast!
Valve would also have to put up an unknown amount of money up to the Dev/Publisher, because let's be honest this launch exclusivity wasn't done for free.