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60% of male managers now say they’re uncomfortable participating in work activities with women (CNBC)

Khamsinvera

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60% of male managers now say they’re uncomfortable participating in work activities with women

"... new survey finds that 60% of male managers say they’re uncomfortable participating in regular work activities with women, including mentoring, working one-on-one or socializing."

"Senior-level men also say they are 12 times more likely to be hesitant about one-on-one meetings with a junior woman than they are a junior man, nine times more likely to be hesitant to travel with a junior woman for work than a junior man, and six times more likely to be hesitant to have a work dinner with a junior woman than a junior man."

Interesting ...

Subconsciously, I'd have no problem asking a couple of male co-workers to swing by for beers and catch the game at a bar while discussing a work project - but I don't think I'd be comfortable doing the same to a female co-worker.
 
sgtnosboss

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Maybe these 60% are part of the problem and shouldn't be in their rolls anymore. If you are doing nothing wrong, what do you have to feel uncomfortable about?
 
VISION

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Is it that hard to turn your dick off at work? I work in an environment where 80% of my coworkers and clients are women and I've never had an issue. If anything, I have to shrug off inappropriate comments (mostly from clients, but coworkers will encourage it or joke about it when it happens).

Just become asexual when you clock in. Don't say shitty things to people or ogle anyone and you won't have a problem. When in doubt, just don't.
 
skipgo

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Go away and let the women work, if you're uncomfortable the door is there for you.
What delicate creatures these men are. jesus christ.
 
Delphine

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And how many women have been uncomfortable participating in work activities with men, since, basically forever? How about 100% of them?
They can keep crying me a river. If they're uncomfortable: good. Also, maybe they don't deserve to be in this job position in the first place.
 

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When dudes say stuff like this I kinda assume they are using coded language for "I can't get away with being inappropriate anymore."
 
Conciliator

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Could there be an age element to this? When I worked at the office, at least in my group, it was all men and women chatting, going to lunch, laughing, working together and it was never an issue, EXCEPT when some moron creeper came down from upper management and felt like they should kiss some girl on the cheek when saying hello. Meetings was men and women, drinks after work was men and women.

Of course I was never part of the 'good ol boys' club so whatever happened in those rooms I can't speak to. But like I don't even know what it would be like to work in a space that isn't men and women working together.
 

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So dumb. My husband works as upper management with a majority of women and never has any problems. The men claiming to be "uncomfortable" are the problem and are projecting their insecurities and sexism. It's not hard to be a decent person, ffs.
 
FF Seraphim

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You guys are making jokes but this isn't good at all. Yeah these people shouldn't be in positions of power ,however, they are and it will have detrimental effects on women being able to progress in their career field.
No god damn clue on how to properly fix this other than sending people like them to work camps to understand how to properly work with their female counterparts.
 
MCee

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60% of male managers should be out of a job, haha. What is this. Their response to sexism in the workplace being brought to light is sexism in the workplace.
 
deimosmasque

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I still can't believe there are so many men who don't know how to not be a piece of shit.

Nevermind actually I can believe that. I'm just kind of saddened by the fact.
 
RC0101

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I work in upper management with a company that is basically 80% women. Just don't be a creeper, it's not difficult.

I have seen some pretty inappropriate comments and heard of worse. I'm guessing those are the 60% that are worried.
 
BigWinnie1

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I guess old dudes more self-conscious of themselves nowadays.

Now If I could get those female bosses from being real catty to her female underlings It would be nice ( That shit happened on almost every job I've ever worked until I started working as a UPS driver on my own pretty much)
 
Eidan

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I'm not shocked. I was talking to a lady in my accounting department this morning and the topic of me having two young women as direct reports came up. She quipped about me having to be "careful" around them, which annoyed me a bit. The idea that men have to walk on eggshells now is pervasive. Which is silly. Not being a creep isn't difficult.
 
Manmademan

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Khamsinvera said:
60% of male managers now say they’re uncomfortable participating in work activities with women

"... new survey finds that 60% of male managers say they’re uncomfortable participating in regular work activities with women, including mentoring, working one-on-one or socializing."

"Senior-level men also say they are 12 times more likely to be hesitant about one-on-one meetings with a junior woman than they are a junior man, nine times more likely to be hesitant to travel with a junior woman for work than a junior man, and six times more likely to be hesitant to have a work dinner with a junior woman than a junior man."

Interesting ...

Subconsciously, I'd have no problem asking a couple of male co-workers to swing by for beers and catch the game at a bar while discussing a work project - but I don't think I'd be comfortable doing the same to a female co-worker.
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There are very good reasons why male managers would want to be careful when socializing with female subordinates when outside of work.

Even if your behavior and intentions are totally above board, the appearance that it might be otherwise can screw your career.

Internal policies that you don't do this (outside of official work functions) aren't rare at all, and im saying this as an HR professional.
 
Delphine

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FF Seraphim said:
You guys are making jokes but this isn't good at all. Yeah these people shouldn't be in positions of power ,however, they are and it will have detrimental effects on women being able to progress in their career field.
No god damn clue on how to properly fix this other than sending people like them to work camps to understand how to properly work with their female counterparts.
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Well, this is a step forward to me still, even though I join your sentiment. They were gonna be in position of power anyway because patriarchy will always favor men way more than women. But now they also get to feel uncomfortable, instead of feeling legitimate in being sexist assholes. Whether they'd be made to feel uncomfortable, or not, they'd still be favored to get positions of power anyway. Those issues are slightly related but do not necessarily have a very strong correlation. Solving how to get women in positions of power is another problem on its own.
 
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