They all back the PV campaign which is for an option to remain in the EU on the final ballot.
On the LDs, I'm relaxed as a member. Any realignment is an onboarding of new people onto the LD platform.
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8 Labour MP's quit party in protest of Leadership, Brexit and anti-semitism (update: 3 Conservative MPs quit to join Independent Group)
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They all back the PV campaign which is for an option to remain in the EU on the final ballot.
On the LDs, I'm relaxed as a member. Any realignment is an onboarding of new people onto the LD platform.
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don't really see an issue with that, if thats the tweet in question
What the fuck does a random Jewish Londoner have to do with the actions of the state of Israel?
Exactly. As a part of the coalition government they share responsibility for everything it did. Austerity that proved economically counter-productive and ruined the lives of thousands and thousands, NHS re-organisation (that the Tories promised they wouldn't do before the election and so not only was there no mandate for it, it was a blatant betrayal of the voters), racist immigration policy and scapegoating of immigrants, awful reforms to education, decimation of further education sector, Royal Mail privatisation on the cheap, Universal Credit and on and on. Plus they happily participated in spreading the outrageous lie about Labours high levels of public spending being the cause of the debt and all the nonsense analogies comparing the national budget to a household one, and the nation's credit card and all that. The country is still suffering from the affects of this industrial scale misinformation campaign and the mistaken belief that the Tories have a stronger economic record than Labour (they don't. They're much much worse).
New Labour were responsible for a slew of awful things - hence the eventual rise of Corbyn and the shift to the left in the party to move on from that and regain the trust of the millions of voters who abandoned Labour since 1997. The Lib Dems need a similar renewal and shift away from anyone tarnished by the coalition years and the dregs of Tory-lite centrism. But clearly that's not easy when they have such a tiny number of MPs to build from and their current leader is one of the architects of Britain's current mess and his own party's 2015 implosion. Unless you live in a Tory-Lib Dem marginal where they're the least worst option then they really are a complete waste of time and fully deserve their time in the wilderness. It would help if Vince Cable fucked off and had a bit more self-reflection in regards the vast number of mistakes he and his party made and his responsibility for it. But he still prefers to punch left rather than come to terms with any of that.
I understand the problem with it if he's implying it's a collective responsibility for the decision made by a government, if he just meant people should stand together and put pressure on the government it's just empty words.
A bit of digging is soon going to show which way inclined he is.
Starting off your tweet with "Jewish people with any sense of humanity" isn't particularly a good look. It borders on being a "threat" more than it is an ethical concern around the state of Israel.
When you decide to break away from your party and place some of that onus on antisemitism, you shouldn't be surprised the internet digs through your history.
One can say the Labour party has poorly dealt with antisemitism but also that if you're going to make a scene and quit your party over it, you best make sure your own laundry is clean. Otherwise, public opinion will veer towards thinking you are just being opportunistic, not principled.
Doing this 30 days before Brexit is the height of being opportunistic before we even move onto questions around antisemitism.
That Tweet is from Derek Hatton, the ex-Militant entryist who has just been officially allowed to rejoin Labour after 30 years.
My bad for skimming. I thought Derek Hatton was one of the breakaways.
I guess that's even... worse? The guy was really before my time.
DailyFail's take on it.
I'm on board with Corbyn's socialist views, but I'm not so keen just to back loonies who also agree with them, simply because.
Whenever it comes to antisemitism scandals Corbyn just seems to attract flies like shit.
Hopefully he just stays an ordinary member, if he tries to move up or get elected I will start to worry, he's a nobody and he should be treated like it.
People in here acting like Derek Hatton isn't complete robbing scum, a rape apologist, a lunatic, corrupt and the worlds biggest hypocrite. He's also, actually, a professional Marxist agitator. If you're happy being in a party with Hatton you're in the wrong party.
I don't know anything about him besides the militant period, I just said he's got a big mouth and a little bit of digging is going to bring everything out without much effort, he wasn't exactly a smart political operator at his peak.
If he's that bad then kick him out, how did the rape stuff( idon't know about it) not come up at the meeting?
There appears to be quite a lot that many of you don't know.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.li...atton-courts-identity-defendants-11016485.amp
He is the scum of the earth, a left wing version of Tommy Robinson.
I'm actually amazed that on here of all places, people act like the SWP and Militant were just fluffy lefties given a hard time. The people behind it are back in the party and pulling the strings.
Very reasonable article, I was wondering what Polly would say.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/18/labour-schism-sdp-brexit-seven-mps
This is key for me and it's amazing how many people struggle with it.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/18/labour-schism-sdp-brexit-seven-mps
This is key for me and it's amazing how many people struggle with it.
I don't agree with him on the rape stuff because it might deter other victims coming forward, but I don't see the Tommy Robinson link, didn't he want everybody named in the case even if it ruined the trial.
I'm going to post this and something worse will have been added.
It's fucking maddening to see this kind of comment. It's really not difficult to tweet out your horror at the amount of people who advocate for pro Palestine genocide and turn a blind eye to what's been happening in the region for decades (e.g. some of the people who rightly complain that the elections in Venezuela were rigged also state racist bullshit like Hamas is the will of the Palestinian people ignoring the nature of how they were elected, the blatant oppression the Palestinian people suffer, oh and the fact there hasn't been an election in over 10 years) However, it's real simple to word it so you're against support of Israel rather than making it antisemitic assuming you aren't an antisemite.
At the same time it's hilarious to see you make such a big deal of this when one of your posts in this thread was a clear and simply stating that you think the blatant racist Tory policies that literally ruin the lives of PoC aren't racist issues at all.
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"Corbyn's failure to stamp out antisemitism is a just cause, but why not stay to fight it?"
She must surely be joking?
Blaming the actions of a nation state on a particular race, is - let me type slowly so you understand - R.....A.....C.....I......S.......T
Criticising Israel is NOT racist. Telling "Jewish people" they should be more vocal about the actions of Israel IS racist.
It really is that simple.
How does that work?
"Mrs May - we'll back your deal on the condition its put to a public vote"
"No"
Then what? There is no way May is allowing a 2nd referendum as just like a CU she knows it completely destroys her party.
It would have to be via Cooper-Boles, as a cross-party initiative relying on some Tory rebels.
As an amendment to the meaningful vote, it'll likely gather a lot of support, including from remainers in the Tory party, even potentially the Cabinet. May might dislike it, but she can't ignore statute law just yet.
Every option upsets someone in the Tory party, that's the problem. Eventually she's going to have to settle on something and since this is her deal and she's still clinging to it for dear life there's no reason she'd say no.
Of course - but there is no majority in parliament for a 2nd vote. The only way you get a majority for it is if Labour and the Tories officially whip for it as their preferred option. Without that there is no way a majority - even as a conditional on approval of the deal.
And furthermore what would the question be in such a referendum? The deal or no deal? The deal or no Brexit? Because I think you're into very dodgy grounds as even the 2nd referendum supporting MPs can't agree what the question is.....
Most of the house would support it for the second vote and just to remove no deal. This has been floated for a while and it seems to be gaining some steam now nothing else is changing.
Hatton and co basically operated like a gang in Liverpool. They threatened and intimidated anyone opposed to them with remarkably similar tactics to the yellow vesters and edl football thug crowd. That's basically what they were.
They took control of Liverpool city council and ran an illegal budget, threw public services into chaos to the extent that Liverpool didn't recover until the EU funded the regeneration which has led to Liverpool becoming a world class city instead of the ghetto that Hatton left. Famously, he used council funds to pay for taxis to deliver redundancy notices to workers who lost their jobs because of his dickheaded radical stupidity.
That's just the beginning of Hatton and his fuckery. Honestly, read anything about Hatton, militant and the SWP not written by them and there is absolutely no way you'd be half defending any of them. The Tories spent all of the 80s pointing at Hatton and saying look what you'll get with Labour.
The fact that he's now a millionaire based upon a property empire built up by flipping ex council houses is just the icing on the cunt cake.
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I know some of the fuckery of those years and I'm not defending it beyond the heightened anger of the Thatcher years, but he has had almost nothing to do with politics as far as I can tell for 30 years.
He's a nobody, he seems to be more centrist than Corbyn on a few things, I've spent more time thinking about him today than the last 20 years put together.
If he's just becoming an ordinary member I don't really care, if he's trying it on then it's another thing, I'm happy for him to be booted out if more emerges.
That's literally what I said? That it's easy to avoid making blatantly antisemitic comments if you aren't an antisemite. I also said it's funny that you're so against that when you've already said a statement that is arguably more RACIST by excusing actual racist policy.
Gping off at a tangent here, but speaking of Hatton, there was a British TV mini-series in 1991 starring Michael Palin and Robert Lindsay, written by Alan Bleasdale (writer of Boys from the Blackstuff, etc). Robert Lindsay's character (Michael Murray) appeared to be based on Hatton.
It's a really fantastic mini-series, if anyone reading this can get hold of it then do yourselves a favour and devour it. It's available on DVD in the UK and Amazon Prime (UK). Here's the Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G.B.H._(TV_series)
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He was only 3 years in office, his fucked up spending ideas didn't fuck Liverpool, 15 years of Tory rule did.
Running the illegal budget meant that Liverpool couldn't finance itself properly for years and years afterwards. The Tories left the place in a mess but Hatton and co set fire to the only way to mitigate.
As someone married to a wife that he and his ilk absolutely hate I find that statement a bit off to be honest.
What very serious, strong, and appropriate was taken towards our PM headed hostile environment and windrush?
Also the problem with Militant wasn't "oh, they're a bit too lefty for us". It was their bullying and their subversions of the party mechanics to gain a control over CLPs that were the problem.
Damned if you do damned if you don't really. He tried to fuck with the Tories (along with other councils) and he lost. But it's not like the bending over backwards that councils do nowadays under the current Tory government has worked, the Tories keep cutting and cutting budgets every year and The Ass-kissing does nothing.
They don't understand who he is or what he is. Hatton is a football thug in a suit.
Hey Getafe, could you clarify why you believe Enoch Powell was a Labour MP? Was he one of those professional Marxist agitators too?
Because I got that detail mixed up with Mosley. Powell flirted with labour but never became an MP
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I'm not defending that policy. But it isn't racist in itself. Its xenophobic, bigoted and completely unacceptable IMO. However, it wasn't a "racist policy". It wasn't targeted at "Jews or Asians or Black people" it was simply a plan to create a "hostile environment" to try and deter illegal immigrants from any race or ethnicity from entering the country.
It is completely wrong. And of course some of the interpretations and implementations were racist. But the policy itself as abhorrent as it is, is not racist.
It is also not a policy that is exclusive to this country.
Yes, one of the two post war chief racists was a labour MP and the other one flirted with it.
While this is true, it ignores what the Tories were doing to councils all over the country to the point where multiple councils made similar protests (though none went as far as in Liverpool)
Which they were able to do because Hatton and militant made the Labour party completely unelectable, to the point where thatched got through a war, recession and national strikes.
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/...in-zionist-attacks-on-luciana-berger-1.480143
Can anyone blame her for quitting? What are Labour going to do with these racists?
Can anyone blame her for quitting? What are Labour going to do with these racists?