I still can't decide which one was worse: this trailer or AssCreed Unity's.
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"8 Cores, 16 Thread CPU, Zen/Ryzen" etc mean nothing to me. What kind of graphics can we expect next gen?
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I still can't decide which one was worse: this trailer or AssCreed Unity's.
Provide evidence 2 Zen 2 cores are reserved on PS5 and Xbox Scarlett
'Will be reserved'. Just an educated guess because consoles will, in all likelihood, still support sharing/recording features and may expand to bring new features. I can be wrong but lets see.
I think we are approaching a point of diminishing returns on visual fidelity, I don't feel a need to go beyond 1080p and 4k textures.
What I would like to see is GPUs being used more for real time rendering of things with computational expensive physics. Stuff like hair, water, lighting.
We are probably several gens away from having water that acts like water though.
What I would like to see is GPUs being used more for real time rendering of things with computational expensive physics. Stuff like hair, water, lighting.
We are probably several gens away from having water that acts like water though.
I don't think it's that cut and dry, it seems some games low settings creep up over time so that old hardware could be struggling because of that.
It's probably not the reason all the time but it does happen.
Hardly educated at all when you forgot to consider that a Zen CPU core is faster than a Jaguar core by a huge margin, and currently only 1 core is reserved on PS4/Xbox for OS functionality
Actually the seventh core was not fully available for games as the core is still split between OS and game usage, so technically "1.5" cores were still reserved for the OS on both Xbox One and PS4.
Incorrect. Even on the PS4 the seventh core was not fully available for games.
Atleast in words of developers who spoke about it, the unlocked performance on Xbox One was minor at best. (Yes I know how Zen 2 performs before you mention it again)
Let me rephrase then, all 8 Zen 2 cores might not be available for games in PS5/Scarlett.
A core is either available to developers or not, there is no such thing as "1.5" cores, that is gibberish. When people talk about reserved cores, they are speaking about a developer's ability to access it to run a thread. It is the purpose of context switching inside of any CPU to facilitate multitasking in a core, games themselves are not monolithic entities. A single game can be made up of lots of threads on a single core, which the context switching piece of the kernel handles automatically. It doesn't matter if some of those tasks are things the operating system uses, because even the "game" itself can be a collection of threads full of automated tasks beyond their control that are context switched in and out anyways. Like when you hand your program over to, say, a shared object that's part of some external library.
There is only one core reserved, as in inaccessible to programmers, not "1.5".
The quotation was suppose to convey that I did not mean 1.5 in literal terms.
I guess the devs at Larian don't know what they're talking about when they say they can't utilize 100% of the unlocked core.
...the devs at larian said the exact same thing I did. That's the entire point of context switching, to divvy up a core among multiple threads to provide the illusion of multitasking. That's a fundamental part of a kernel, it's why kernels exist in the first place. A core is either reserved or not. 1.5 cores are not reserved, only 1 core is reserved, the others are general purpose cores that context switch threads like any other. That the operating system is one of the threads running on those general purpose cores is completely unremarkable, not out of the ordinary, and not at all relevant when talking about reserved cores. Reserved, when talking about a core, refers to one's ability to execute a thread on said core. It's a binary proposition. Can the developer access that core, push a thread to the context switcher, and have the kernel switch execution to it? Yes, they can, thus the core is not reserved.
Its relevant to the fact that select number of threads are not accessible by the games. And thats what I said before, that the seventh core is split between OS and game resources.
lol what? This sentence is actual giberish. The games are the threads. You're saying that running different threads on a core means different threads are sometimes running which is... yeah? of course? That's what context switchers do.
Not all threads executed on a core are under explicit control of the programmer, Again, shared objects dynamically loaded at execution do this all the time. Your program will, without your explicit command, spawn other threads countlessly, which live and die on cores, and get context switched in and out by the kernel billions of times per second.
That other programs execute on the same core doesn't mean that core is in any way restricted. That's just not what the word restricted means. If you're going to use this general definition where restricted means any time you, the actual programmer, is having his thread execution taken away by the context switcher for some external program, then literally every single processor ever since like 1990 is "restricted."
Graphically you won't get the huge jumps. Yes, there will be major improvements, but the components are going to allow for astronomical jumps in other areas.
The Zen 2 CPUs, the 16+ GB of GDDR6, and the implementation of the SSDs are going to allow for far more complex worlds and simulations. AI, mob density, mob behavior, world size and complexity, how quickly all of it loads, dynamic systems, etc. It's going to be a massive jump over what we have now.
The Zen 2 CPUs, the 16+ GB of GDDR6, and the implementation of the SSDs are going to allow for far more complex worlds and simulations. AI, mob density, mob behavior, world size and complexity, how quickly all of it loads, dynamic systems, etc. It's going to be a massive jump over what we have now.
People said the exact same thing five years age but yeah, this time much of the increase GPU power is going to be devoted to hitting or trying to hit 4K native at 30fps, especially in certain genres.
Would you explain how the word reserved is used in this context for my understanding?
The obvious advances will be with things like load times and overall UI performance improvements. With games? Next gen will be a smaller leap than we've ever seen. TDP and cost restraints will put us in the 2060 Super, 5700X range PC wise. That's midrange now, and will be meh this time next year. Expect sub native 4K, and/or sub 60fps again next gen.
2060 Super/5700X midrange? Unless I'm mistaken, the vast majority of gamers still play on GTX10##, or RX5## series. The 2070/2080 cards are still "i hab teh big pipi" territory. The only time 2070/80 might feel "mainstream performant" is when you switch on raytracing, and that's because it's an awful resource hog even with dedicated cores. I hope the next implementation version is less sloppy in terms of compute utilization.
RTX 2070 and Radeon RX 5700 XT are both mid range graphics cards. It's to do with the die size. For example, 5700 XT 250mm2 die size. The pricing is irrelevant, both are overpriced anyway. 200-250mm2 die size has always been mid range when it comes to graphics cards.
GTX 1060 / RX 580 are now low end graphics cards
Matched by the small 128 bit memory bus RX 5500
Matched by the small 128 bit memory bus RX 5500
I'm hyped for all that. That is all the stuff I will be examining closely.
it isnt midrange. Keep in mind the top end 1200$+ 2080ti is only 50% faster than these
50% is a significant percentage.
And the 5700XT most definitely is mid range. There's the upcoming 5800XT, 5900XT, and then the 5600 and 5500
the fastest GPU available being only 50% faster is a pretty good place to be. worst case is next year the fastest gpu will be maybe twice as fast
2080, 2080 super and 2080 Ti are high end. 2080 Ti founder edition and TITAN RTX are very high end.
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I mean why are a long way from the Lion king CG quality in games. We have a ways to go still.
Raytracing will be a pretty big step in the right direction - hopefully both next consoles have the proper hardware for it.
Can you imagine the 10th gen of gaming though? Lmao it is going to be insane.
Thread started off discussing how next gen would look without getting into technical jargon, and now we're knee deep in jargon xD
What the differences between the 2080TI and the 2080TI founders edition?
I think Its a lot harder to give a frame of reference without that jargon because for people who know their shit can give you a ballpark of what is potentially possible versus what exists now. Unless you want the thread to decline into dragonball powerlevel comparisons.
Higher resolutions makes for quick and easy anti-aliasing; it's why so many people (me included) downsample. I turn off AA, run my games at 1440p or 4k if possible, and then display them on my 1080p monitor. Jaggies are drastically reduced. Emulated games are another good example; assets haven't changed, but just increasing the rendering resolution to 1440p or 4k does wonders for image quality.
So even if nothing else changed, increasing resolutions beyond 1080p is great. Once everything is 4k native, then yeah, resolutions will have hit diminishing returns Not going to get many jaggies after that. And if you do, the lowest quality AA will take care of it.
not entirely accurate. The FE has a very slight overclock. Enough for regular cards to match the FE with a better cooler. From testing, my none founder edition RTX 2080 ti is matching or exceeding the average clock of the RTX 2080 ti founder edition. It's not enough to put on a different league. Not even the RTX Titan which is about 10% faster then the RTX 2080 ti.
I dunno about OS bloat, 1 core will be locked off most likely anyway because when these parts are made, quite commonly a core or 2 won't work or won't perform well enough at it's clock speeds, so instead of throwing away the whole SOC in the PS5's case because 1 cpu core didn't work, they will lock off 1 core in all of them, this was the case with PS3 too, the Cell had it's 8th SPE locked off because on some units it didn't work. It's a good way to save money i suppose.