8 Labour MP's quit party in protest of Leadership, Brexit and anti-semitism (update: 3 Conservative MPs quit to join Independent Group)

Gernau Morat Gurgeh · Feb 20, 2019

C-Dub said:
It's ironic, they brand Labour policies "far left", yet poll after poll after poll shows huge public support for Corbyn's agenda.

Sounds like they're closer to the centre than the media likes to admit.

Hence why Corbyn's policys are almost never attacked, expect in the broadest 'he wants to turn us in to Venezuela' way. His policies, outside of Brexit are pretty sensible socdem stuff, and popular when people havn't been conditioned to think they are evil because they come from him.

Deleted member 888 · Feb 20, 2019

Yikes.

Acorn · Feb 20, 2019

C-Dub said:
It's ironic, they brand Labour policies "far left", yet poll after poll after poll shows huge public support for Corbyn's agenda.

Sounds like they're closer to the centre than the media likes to admit.

Yep, almost like the left policies are good when they aren't shown with the usual b.s.

PJV3 · Feb 20, 2019

Gernau Morat Gurgeh said:
Hence why Corbyn's policys are almost never attacked, expect in the broadest 'he wants to turn us in to Venezuela' way. His policies, outside of Brexit are pretty sensible socdem stuff, and popular when people havn't been conditioned to think they are evil because they come from him.

People believe the shit about bendy bananas, there's no chance trying to explain the need for social housing etc.

Acorn · Feb 20, 2019

What I love about Centrists in England loving sturgeon is if she was English or in Westminster she would be called a commie by them.

Gundahar · Feb 20, 2019

Acorn said:
Yep, almost like the left policies are good when they aren't shown with the usual b.s.

Ending freedom of movement is good?

Acorn · Feb 20, 2019

Gundahar said:
Ending freedom of movement is good?

That's kinda divorced from being left or right because the EU has haters on both for different reasons but I think you know that.

travisbickle · Feb 20, 2019

Simon21 said:
If that's genuinely what you think then you need to get out and meet more working class people.

My experience is working class people have a greater understanding of political left and right than Middle-class wankers I'm talking about.

MrKlaw · Feb 20, 2019

I don't understand why this new little band of misfits doesn't just come out and support a peoples vote or something else meaningful. Why else are they leaving their parties if all they want is wishy washy non-commital statements of their values?

Sure, supporting a second vote might put some people off, but it will also attract a portion of the electorate - right now who are they attrracting, they aren't offering anything different.

whatsinaname · Feb 20, 2019

So when do these seats go up for byelections? Do they all seem like they will keep their seats?

Acorn · Feb 20, 2019

whatsinaname said:
So when do these seats go up for byelections? Do they all seem like they will keep their seats?

Lol they won't do that because they'll lose

PJV3 · Feb 20, 2019

MrKlaw said:
They aren't offering anything different.

They are, they are offering something different, a new politics, something about aspiration.

Rinse Bassfunk · Feb 20, 2019

whatsinaname said:
So when do these seats go up for byelections? Do they all seem like they will keep their seats?

They aren't putting the seats up. They'll hold until a GE then choose a different seat to win. Outrageous frankly

Spaghetti · Feb 20, 2019

Heidi Allen has taken to the stage. She says that he we heard yesterday about "the magnificent seven", then yesterday evening about the "lone ranger". Now we are meeting the "three amigos".

If we're doing cowboy metaphors, does this make Angela Smith John Wayne?

Zafir · Feb 20, 2019

whatsinaname said:
So when do these seats go up for byelections? Do they all seem like they will keep their seats?

Not until a GE. Most of them risk losing their current seat if they stood in the same seat again during an election, hence why yesterday they stated that they'd likely be running in marginal seats instead when it happens.

Acorn · Feb 20, 2019

PJV3 said:
They are, they are offering something different, a new politics, something about aspiration.

*Things can only get better starts softly playing*

PJV3 · Feb 20, 2019

Spaghetti said:
If we're doing cowboy metaphors, does this make Angela Smith John Wayne?

Spaghetti westerns are better, they can't get anything right.

whatsinaname · Feb 20, 2019

Acorn said:
Lol they won't do that because they'll lose

Rinse Bassfunk said:
They aren't putting the seats up. They'll hold until a GE then choose a different seat to win. Outrageous frankly

Zafir said:
Not until a GE. Most of them risk losing their current seat if they stood in the same seat again during an election, hence why yesterday they stated that they'd likely be running in marginal seats instead when it happens.

What the hell, they get to decide? Don't you all have any anti-defection amendments?

Acorn · Feb 20, 2019

whatsinaname said:
What the hell, they get to decide? Don't you all have any anti-defection amendments?

Nope, some do it but most don't because they tend to lose. They know that too.

Spaghetti · Feb 20, 2019

PJV3 said:
Spaghetti westerns are better, they can't get anything right.

There's a joke here about The Vested Interests Group getting financed with a Fistful of Dollars, but I'm too lazy to make it.

PJV3 · Feb 20, 2019

Acorn said:
*Things can only get better starts softly playing*

What else do you need. Seems like a packed manifesto brimming with alternative arrangements to me.

15% are up for it, whatever it is

PJV3 · Feb 20, 2019

Acorn · Feb 20, 2019

PJV3 said:
What else do you need. Seems like a packed manifesto brimming with alternative arrangements to me.

Didn't Brian may make that song actually? Maybe he'll release a remix.

Also that Tory defector literally just mentioned "third way"

The 90s are back baby

PJV3 · Feb 20, 2019

Acorn said:
Didn't Brian may make that song actually? Maybe he'll release a remix.

Also that Tory defector literally just mentioned "third way"

The 90s are back baby

You're mixing your Brian's up I think

Spaghetti · Feb 20, 2019

Can't wait for the Oasis or Blur debate in parliament.

Deleted member 8463 · Feb 20, 2019

Ichthyosaurus said:
I'm fairly sure socdems are considered Far Left, it's a broad umbrella. That's the nuance.

lmao

Glad you've already been bodied for this shite.

Anyone who describes Labour as 'far left' is an idiot. Anyone using the term 'hard left' should be viewed with suspicion.

Zellia · Feb 20, 2019

whatsinaname said:
What the hell, they get to decide? Don't you all have any anti-defection amendments?

Technically speaking you vote for a candidate, not a party, so no, changing party isn't by itself sufficient to force a by-election.

How smart that is in a system where, in many places, you could shit on a plate, stick an appropriately-coloured rosette on it, and watch it soar into Parliament is an exercise for the reader.

Deleted member 862 · Feb 20, 2019

Diana would've voted for the IG

Acorn · Feb 20, 2019

PJV3 said:
You're mixing your Brian's up I think

Just checked I am. Fuck it he'll do a cover anyway, he loves this shit.

Deleted member 888 · Feb 20, 2019

CONSERVATIVE VALUES.

SMD · Feb 20, 2019

Acorn said:
What I love about Centrists in England loving sturgeon is if she was English or in Westminster she would be called a commie by them.

Centrists are amazing because they look at the last two decades and think 'yep, it's the left that's to blame'.

Mewn said:
Technically speaking you vote for a candidate, not a party, so no, changing party isn't by itself sufficient to force a by-election.

How smart that is in a system where, in many places, you could shit on a plate, stick an appropriately-coloured rosette on it, and watch it soar into Parliament is an exercise for the reader.

This happens every election when people vote Tory.

Deleted member 8463 · Feb 20, 2019

Spaghetti said:
There's a joke here about The Vested Interests Group getting financed with a Fistful of Dollars, but I'm too lazy to make it.

It's all about the benjamins baby

Audioboxer said:
CONSERVATIVE VALUES.

Heidi's recent poverty tour must've soured her on those values.

PJV3 · Feb 20, 2019

Acorn said:
Just checked I am. Fuck it he'll do a cover anyway, he loves this shit.

Easily done. Two Brian's involved in science and music, I think there was a Brian in East 17 but he isn't as bright

Acorn · Feb 20, 2019

I'd put a tenner on Sainsbury funding Tigger.

Deleted member 8463 · Feb 20, 2019

PJV3 said:
Easily done. Two Brian's involved in science and music, I think there was a Brian in East 17 but he isn't as bright

Incidentally 'stay another day' is probably an earworm for many MPs today.

gutter_trash · Feb 20, 2019

I have a question for the Corbynites:
What's more important to you?

A) Remaining in the EU and insure a better future for young people?
or
B) Or absolute isolationist political purity?

Acorn · Feb 20, 2019

gutter_trash said:
I have a question for the Corbynites:
What's more important to you?

A) Remaining in the EU and insure a better future for young people?
or
B) Or absolute isolationist political purity?

"Do you prefer ice cream or shit?"

PJV3 · Feb 20, 2019

gutter_trash said:
I have a question for the Corbynites:
What's more important to you?

A) Remaining in the EU and insure a better future for young people?
or
B) Or absolute isolationist political purity?

I'm only partly on the Corbyn wagon but. I'd prefer we stay and make real changes, staying as is will just lead to more shit down the road.

I don't like these weird choices.

Deleted member 862 · Feb 20, 2019

gutter_trash said:
I have a question for the Corbynites:
What's more important to you?

A) Remaining in the EU and insure a better future for young people?
or
B) Or absolute isolationist political purity?

Wow, a tough choice.

Acorn · Feb 20, 2019

PJV3 said:
I'm only partly on the Corbyn wagon but. I'd prefer we stay and make real changes, staying as is will just lead to more shit down the road.

I don't like these weird choices.

It's also using the disproven "centre only wins votes" as it's basis.

Gernau Morat Gurgeh · Feb 20, 2019

gutter_trash said:
I have a question for the Corbynites:
What's more important to you?

A) Remaining in the EU and insure a better future for young people?
or
B) Or absolute isolationist political purity?

Would you prefer a car battery to the nads or a soapy titwank?

PJV3 · Feb 20, 2019

null said:
Wow, a tough choice.

Yeah, Tories are traditionally the people who like masochism.

Acorn · Feb 20, 2019

PJV3 said:
Yeah, Tories are traditionally the people who like masochism.

Mogg is definitely into getting his balls crushed with a high heel and calling girls "mummy". I'd bet everything on it.

gutter_trash · Feb 20, 2019

Acorn said:
"Do you prefer ice cream or shit?"

Enjoy Brexit then

null said:
Wow, a tough choice.

Is it? What's so hard for any political leade to have the will to fight for Remain?

Spuck- · Feb 20, 2019

Simon21 said:
We know what the deal is, we've come to terms with it. In all seriousness, politics is about principles and ideas, not about unwavering loyalty to a specific party brand. If there's a genuine, electable, centre/centre-left, socially liberal, pro-EU, internationalist alternative to arise within British politics (and there's not yet sufficient evidence that this is it, mind you), I'm sure we'd all happily get behind it.

Not me.

All aboard the socialism train, Corbyn is too moderate.

I'm 100% not joking.

Simon21 · Feb 20, 2019

Git said:
Heidi's recent poverty tour must've soured her on those values.

I mean... Not far off.

"Those that rely on the [safety] net are people and not numbers."

"I can no longer represent a party that can't open its eyes to suffering in our society. Suffering that has deepened, when it was in our power to fix it."

Simon21 · Feb 20, 2019

Spuck- said:
Not me.

All aboard the socialism train, Corbyn is too moderate.

I'm 100% not joking.

When I said "we" I was referring to Lib Dems, unless I've misunderstood you.

PJV3 · Feb 20, 2019

Acorn said:
Mogg is definitely into getting his balls crushed with a high heel and calling girls "mummy". I'd bet everything on it.

Jesus, that kinda imagery is up there with Major and Currie banging around Downing St, I don't need this in my life.

Deleted member 8463 · Feb 20, 2019

Simon21 said:
I mean... Not far off.

"Those that rely on the [safety] net are people and not numbers."

"I can no longer represent a party that can't open its eyes to suffering in our society. Suffering that has deepened, when it was in our power to fix it."

Except she has been entirely complicit in its making.

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/25348/heidi_allen/south_cambridgeshire/votes

Acorn said:
Mogg is definitely into getting his balls crushed with a high heel and calling girls "mummy". I'd bet everything on it.

"Nanny"*

Acorn · Feb 20, 2019

gutter_trash said:
Enjoy Brexit then
Is it? What's so hard for any political leade to have the will to fight for Remain?

You're presentingbull shit choices. So I'll do one.

Do you prefer helping all the homeless the sick being hounded to literal death and the poor who are getting made destitute by the state

Or being able to stay in the EU.

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