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8 Labour MP's quit party in protest of Leadership, Brexit and anti-semitism (update: 3 Conservative MPs quit to join Independent Group)
- Thread starter Thornton Reed
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The beginning of the new Labour years were more than Blairite fluff. Lots of energy from across the party created some good ideas, it kinda gets lost in the twats ego and governing style.
This lot don't even have that.
Yeah and it grew from bottom up too which is the only sustainable movement really.
Yes. Although I don't think it's possible to be more subservient after dropping a billy
The Labour party gets better by the day.
A return to Attlee's economic program would be great, which these former 'Labour MPs' would've called marxist
A return to Attlee's economic program would be great, which these former 'Labour MPs' would've called marxist
They should have a "love the nhs, hate that dirty commies made it" sticker
Would you prefer a million pounds?
or
A good fisting from Thanos?
Lol.
Speaking of the NHS, you have to wonder what these MPs would've been saying if we were in massive debt and introduced it like we did back then.
'We can't afford it' 'This is not the Labour party I joined, this is communism' 'I don't want to be lectured to by left wing intellectuals'
I don't think you'll get many genuine Corbynites here. They're all on twitter.
But as a Labour member and Momentum I can say most Corbynites would support no deal if it meant a Corbyn goverment
The chat from this press conference makes me think they'll have the problem of trying to get as many people on board as they can while they have momentum, then when it comes down to it the standard infighting will begin. Depends how many MPs switch (which of course will depend on polling over the next few weeks)
they will all agree on standing for absolutely nothing
One in the same to me tbh. Blairite only exists because of the brown/Blair beef. Basically old language continuing to be used in a different context.
For me by the end Blairite's were top down managers of the system, you can be a centrist and open up the decision making etc.
I don't think it is so much about policy.
Blairites are Centrists that pretend to be on the left to swindle progressive voters
Nah, it's a very vague thing really, all that third way stuff is a mixed bag.
How dare you! Brian Harvey fought baked potatoes for this country!
So how much more obviously do these guys have to be ideologically identical to Tories, recruit Tories, and praise Tory-era policy before this spectacular illusion that they represent "a change in politics" (or literally anything other than careerist horseshit) disintegrates?
This is why I want to know what they actually stand for so I can see what they are really offering that's truly different and if it's worth getting excited and energised over.
I'm not going to look that up because it sounds pretty funny and I'll end up disappointed.
I mean, if it walks like a Tory, talks like a Tory and supports punitive austerity like a Tory it's clearly an exciting new remedy for our broken politics! #changepolitics #obviously
If they were identical to tories they would have just joined the tories. The ideology and position of the Conservative party is so right wing and toxic currently that I'm not surprised that there would be some moderate tories willing to join a new central party. Will be interesting to see if there are more defections from either party.
"challenge the status quo"
by
"retaining the status quo"
This is fucking hilarious. I find it amazing that Tory MPs are now saying that the party is not nice and tolerant. Like, the Conservative party has never been those things. Poe-faced disingenuousness or serious naiveté. I'm going former.
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Man, Corbyn can just do no wrong with some people huh? Not even saying that the IG are good people or justified, but even Labour's deputy leader understands why they left. Country literally on the brink of a hard brexit that could kill millions and you don't think he could have done anything to keep his party together? Is shifting leftward important enough to put lives at stake? Is shifting "leftward" even possible if you alienate everyone else? Do you really believe that these 8 labour MPs are the only labour MPs with that have a beef with the current direction of that party? If they were, they wouldn't have bothered defecting, they're the tip of the iceberg.
Not that I'm giving May a pass by any means, she's shittier for sure. But damn if some people aren't willing to give Corbyn a pass for literally anything.
How do you feel about thousands dying now from policies Centrists support?
They fundamentally agreed on everything except who of them should have been PM.
And right wingers all think centrists are actually just left wing.
Almost as if they're ... in the centre.
And a fine whataboutism to you too when that wasn't even what I was getting at.
It is funny, but if you'd rather remain in blissful ignorance, don't click the spoiler:
Following an accident in which he managed to run himself over, Brian explained to the press that he had been starving so had binged on three cheese and tuna mayo baked potatoes. He went to his mate's house, but couldn't turn his Merc around in the cul-de-sac. At that point, he got a wave of post-binge nausea and opened the door to be sick but tragically instead of keeping his foot on the brake he pressed the accelerator and fell out of the car, running himself over in the process. He woke up weeks later in intensive care.
See above :-)
They've definitely shifted since then.
Whatever you think of it now, Cameron's Conservatives at the time was all about moving into the centre ground, adopting green, socially liberal policies. There's been a noticeable shift rightward.
Ah the old both of them hate them thus they must be right. Okay, if they were legitimately on the centre they would have left wing achievements as well as right wing. But they largely don't, they lean right way more often.