I repeated your thousands dying bullshit right back at you.
Edit Centrists only care about the poor when it helps their argument, where were you in 2010? How do you feel about austerity?
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8 Labour MP's quit party in protest of Leadership, Brexit and anti-semitism (update: 3 Conservative MPs quit to join Independent Group)
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Edit Centrists only care about the poor when it helps their argument, where were you in 2010? How do you feel about austerity?
The 2010 intake was pretty Thatcherite.
He was lucky to have the libdems to get his way really.
It's already getting 10% in polling, which is more than lib dems and they have as many members as the lib dems.
You don't think people will actually be dying in a hard brexit? In either case, what you did was deflect from any criticism of Corbyn.
You don't know there is documented thousands dying right now? You are arguing in bad faith so I'm doing it right back at you so you see it's ludicrous.
They have changed a hell of a lot. Austerity aside, the Cameron-Clegg coalition was an active governement that was broadly socially liberal, broadly pro-EU. Now, it's a party that strips a British person of their citizenship, against their own policy on dealing with this exact situaiton, to appease the baying masses of the hard right whilst aimlessly circling the drain on Brexit.
It's the party if Ian Duncan Smith once more.
I don't think this is true. I don't think the genie goes back in the bottle.
You do know he used your MPs to keep his loons in check, they fucking hated your party.
One day I will stop quoting myself on this fucking phone.
Eh I dunno. Just because they changed their logo to a green tree doesn't mean they were doing that. Fracking, austerity and cuts to services all started with Cameron.
I'm not endorsing thousands dying right now, I'm not endorsing the independant group, I'm criticising Corbyn's inept handling of his own party and his loyalists' absolute dismissal of the idea that he could possibly do anything wrong to have lead to this point. And I'm arguing that in the context of a very real possibility of a hard Brexit coming up.
What you are doing is side-stepping that argument with a what-aboutism.
The same IDS whose policies you voted in? Including making benefit sanctions harsher in exchange for the bag tax?
Gosh what an honest and totally not loaded question with absolutely no agenda behind it!
Apparently 6 more Tory MPs are expected to leave the party in the coming days. I'm thinking Amber Rudd might be one of them based on this (plus she has little to lose at this point).
Either way, I think we're going to have a slow drip of defections over the next couple of weeks.
Either way, I think we're going to have a slow drip of defections over the next couple of weeks.
Yeah, an election is on the way unless the commons is going to make the government suffer until the very end.
She said she joined the Tory party after seeing the Tottenham riots and imagining Lord Kitchener speaking to her. I'm surprised she hasn't taken a gun to the poor.
Iain Duncan Smith was the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions throughout the Coalition. You know that, I'm not entirely sure what point you're making here. What's the "once more" about it?
It's that she was boasting, that always gets me and is the summation of lib Dems.
Good point. And she has still had May's ear, though (it increasingly seems) not for much longer. I can see her jumping ship once there is nothing more she can do there, but who knows?
I really fucking hate Amber Rudd for both rational and irrational reasons... But, she'd make me take the new party a bit more seriously as a threat if she joined, being a somewhat known name.
grab the tinfoil hats everyone
"big enemies" out there making everyone tired so they say racist stuff on live TV.
Those left wing vested interests, they dominate everything don't ya know.
Yep.
It's hilarious and aye a completely visceral summary of the LDs
It's how they are, it must be in their DNA.
Can we have pr?
No, but you can have a vote for a system you don't want, everyone hates and we will campaign against it.
Yes please.
It won't count for anything if nobody mentions it plus she did the ol blame civil servants because they can't reply trick.
TIG policy positions coming together:
Pro Austerity.
Pro cuts.
Opposed to renationalisation.
Against taxing the rich.
Pro tuition fees.
So, y'know, basically Tories.
So, a few things:
1) It's not a new party. TIG has not formally registered as a political party and is currently run as a Private Company (which conveniently means they don't have to reveal their donors or finances)
2) 11 MPs makes them the equal-third largest group in Parliament, behind the SNP, ahead of the DUP, and tied with the Lib Dems. All other parties are still dwarfed by Labour and the Tories though. Every minor party combined adds up to 45 MPs, compared to Labour's 247.
3) If any of them ran for re-election in a by-election they would all get crushed. There are no particularly big names or personalities amongst them. If TIG still exists in any form by the time of the next election I would expect them to get 0 seats.
Pro Austerity.
Pro cuts.
Opposed to renationalisation.
Against taxing the rich.
Pro tuition fees.
So, y'know, basically Tories.
So, a few things:
1) It's not a new party. TIG has not formally registered as a political party and is currently run as a Private Company (which conveniently means they don't have to reveal their donors or finances)
2) 11 MPs makes them the equal-third largest group in Parliament, behind the SNP, ahead of the DUP, and tied with the Lib Dems. All other parties are still dwarfed by Labour and the Tories though. Every minor party combined adds up to 45 MPs, compared to Labour's 247.
3) If any of them ran for re-election in a by-election they would all get crushed. There are no particularly big names or personalities amongst them. If TIG still exists in any form by the time of the next election I would expect them to get 0 seats.
Oh, same, it'd make it fundamentally off limits for me, too. I'm just saying, I can see it benefitting the party more than not, particularly concerning the Amoral Middle-Englander demographic.
What did she do again, lied about knowing something, blamed the civil service who leaked the letter that she did know?
I don't think she is completely responsible for the whole mess, those cogs were long turning before she tried to deflect the issue, see May and before.