8 Labour MP's quit party in protest of Leadership, Brexit and anti-semitism (update: 3 Conservative MPs quit to join Independent Group)

[PJV3]

It's terrible that they did it this week too. Plus what he had said that caused this was straight up anti semitic . It's one of those decisions I can find no reasonable rationale for.

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I could see the tweet possibly being intentionality meant that way, but I assumed that If that's all they got digging through his shit then it was a dumb outburst during a real low point in the region.

I can take some comfort in predicting he would be gone by Wednesday if he hadn't really changed.

 

[Acorn]

I could see the tweet possibly being intentionality meant that way, but I assumed that If that's all they got digging through his shit then it was a dumb outburst during a real low point in the region.

I can take some comfort in predicting he would be gone by Wednesday if he hadn't really changed.

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Maybe, I generally just distrust him tbh.

 

[RellikSK]

Rumour going around there could be 6 more Tories and as many as 20 more Labour.

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35 would be the number to beat so that they can become the 3rd largest party.

 

[TechnicPuppet]

Bro are we on different planets?

What she's said for a while is she's being careful around Brexit and the goals shifted towards trying to prevent a hard Brexit more than relentless independence campaigning.

That's changing though as May hasn't compromised at all and Brexit is a mess.

Any movement on indyref2 actually happening is only going to kick off once Brexit is "concluded".

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Come back to me in two years when they still haven't announced another referendum.

 

[PJV3]

Maybe, I generally just distrust him tbh.

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I just thought he's spent 30 years flogging property in Cyprus, but after that picture I'm thinking Aaron Banks, Cyprus, Russians etc. So I obviously don't trust him much more than you if I started thinking that immediately.

Oh well, live and learn.

 

[Acorn]

I just thought he's spent 30 years flogging property in Cyprus, but after that picture I'm thinking Aaron Banks, Cyprus, Russians etc. So I obviously don't trust him much more than you if I started thinking that immediately.

Oh well, live and learn.

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Oh I know, I followed you. Just always had a weird feeling about him.

 

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[Deleted member 888]

Come back to me in two years when they still haven't announced another referendum.

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Ok?

It requires a bit more work/negotiation than just announcing we're having one and as I said a lot of indyref2 is tied up in what exactly happens with Brexit.

 

[Deleted member 888]

Just revoke it ya fannies!

 

[IpKaiFung]

Ya, I would also like to revoke Article 50. In my opinion the EU referendum should have never taken place.

 

[DeltaRed]

Rumour going around there could be 6 more Tories and as many as 20 more Labour.

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I don't believe that will happen but as many Tories leaving as there are DUP propping up May would be lovely.

 

[Deleted member 835]

I don't believe that will happen but as many Tories leaving as there are DUP propping up May would be lovely.

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I can't remember who they were but we had 2 local Tories here saying they have had enough with UKIP taking over the Tories. The way they talked it sounded like they are very close to leaving.

 

[Acorn]

Arlene foster put back in her box would be the best thing to come from this. That would please me greatly, oh and never having to hear Wilson too.

 

[Spaghetti]

Been thinking more and more about this, but man do I feel sympathetic for the constituents of the breakaway Labour MPs; especially those in pretty deprived areas.

With the decision for these MPs to stand elsewhere in Labour/Tory marginals, these MPs are basically just using their constituencies for a warm seat in Parliament.

Worse still, they may be key in enabling or even propping up the Conservative Government in the right scenario. Luciana Berger has a nearly 30% child poverty rate in her Liverpool Wavertree constituency, and we all know Tory austerity has at least exacerbated the problem. Then you've got Anna Soubry defending austerity today, and Heidi Allen's "say one thing and do another" voting record. They aren't particularly inspiring bedfellows when it comes to stopping the damage.

And then finally, not allowing by-elections while advocating for a People's Vote is... well, plainly hypocritical.

What a way to tell these communities "you don't matter".

 

[Rinse Bassfunk]

Been thinking more and more about this, but man do I feel sympathetic for the constituents of the breakaway Labour MPs; especially those in pretty deprived areas.

With the decision for these MPs to stand elsewhere in Labour/Tory marginals, these MPs are basically just using their constituencies for a warm seat in Parliament.

Worse still, they may be key in enabling or even propping up the Conservative Government in the right scenario. Luciana Berger has a nearly 30% child poverty rate in her Liverpool Wavertree constituency, and we all know Tory austerity has at least exacerbated the problem. Then you've got Anna Soubry defending austerity today, and Heidi Allen's "say one thing and do another" voting record. They aren't particularly inspiring bedfellows when it comes to stopping the damage.

And then finally, not allowing by-elections while advocating for a People's Vote is... well, plainly hypocritical.

What a way to tell these communities "you don't matter".

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Re Chris Leslie

- Councillor Collins, who represents the St Ann's ward for Labour, said: "Chris labours under the misapprehension that the unhappiness in Nottingham East was all some hard-left Momentum-inspired plot."

"But I think the reality is there was widespread unhappiness with the fact he was hardly ever seen in the constituency, and didn't feel the need to do regular advice surgeries or do much casework, unlike our other two MPs."

 

[Spaghetti]

Re Chris Leslie

- Councillor Collins, who represents the St Ann's ward for Labour, said: "Chris labours under the misapprehension that the unhappiness in Nottingham East was all some hard-left Momentum-inspired plot."

"But I think the reality is there was widespread unhappiness with the fact he was hardly ever seen in the constituency, and didn't feel the need to do regular advice surgeries or do much casework, unlike our other two MPs."

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Figures. I think there have been other examples made of these breakaway MPs seeing the writing on the wall in their own constituencies, and using defection as an ejector seat out of any consequences.

 

[Deleted member 8463]

Been thinking more and more about this, but man do I feel sympathetic for the constituents of the breakaway Labour MPs; especially those in pretty deprived areas.

With the decision for these MPs to stand elsewhere in Labour/Tory marginals, these MPs are basically just using their constituencies for a warm seat in Parliament.

Worse still, they may be key in enabling or even propping up the Conservative Government in the right scenario. Luciana Berger has a nearly 30% child poverty rate in her Liverpool Wavertree constituency, and we all know Tory austerity has at least exacerbated the problem. Then you've got Anna Soubry defending austerity today, and Heidi Allen's "say one thing and do another" voting record. They aren't particularly inspiring bedfellows when it comes to stopping the damage.

And then finally, not allowing by-elections while advocating for a People's Vote is... well, plainly hypocritical.

What a way to tell these communities "you don't matter".

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Yep. Berger's constituents had genuine problems with her but these were packaged with the abuse she receives. Getting into bed with austerity apologists is really just waving flying Vs at Liverpool.

 

[Haubergeon]

Reading more about this just makes me more and more convinced of how sclerotic and dead-ended this kind of mushy, vague, completely ineffectual sort of centrism is. Long-term these people will solve nothing because they have no vision, no structural critique, nothing that truly moves them to build a better world because they fundamentally believe, like all Third Wayists, that the world is more or less fine, people are making a big muck about nothing, and we just need to fine-tune some things and go back to your shopping now. Being Anti-Brexit is one thing (and is fine, obviously) but Brexit is a self-inflicted disaster - what do you believe in beyond that? How will you truly address the fundamental problems of modern society? There's no there there, just like always. If they're trying to model themselves after Macron that'll certainly get them far. At least, it will deflect the left for awhile, which is all it's really designed to do.

 

[Otherist]

I hope no-one's surprised that TINGE have pledged to prop up the government. For all the talk of them nicking votes off Labour in a GE, that will also essentially be the climactic phase of their grift, even if they succeed in preserving a Tory majority and don't all get electorally obliterated. It's much more in their best interests to help stave that scenario off as long as possible (with the added bonus of dragging out this government's lifespan, obviously).

It's also a tell, just in case anyone was still holding out this particular candle, that TINGE does not actually give a shit about stopping Brexit or even reducing its harm. May's obviously gonna run out the clock, send us all careening into a No Deal complete with body bags, and everyone who's been complicit in keeping her where she is (because the alternative was the socialism) will...be largely insulated from any consequences. Go figure.

The structural violence never ends.

 

[Gawge]

Brexit is gonna hit the poorest parts of the UK the hardest but those areas by and large voted leave because they believe Brexit will solve their problems.

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It doesn't have to. I mean, if we follow the organisation of the economy that we have for the last 40 years then of course it will - but that isn't how an economy has to be organised.

David Cameron said "money is no object" when it came to mansions flooding in the South East.

Why can't we say "money is no object" when it comes to poverty, homelessness and deprivation in one of the richest countries in the world?

I'm not at all pro-Brexit, but if it happens, and a reduction in GDP happens, it is not necessarily perscriptive of how we have to organise the provision of resources in the country.

 

[Deleted member 835]

She can fuck off. Imagine saying this shit when she has deported so many. She deported my kin to country many have never even been to basically die. Fuck her

 

[Kittens McMittens]

You know how many Tories are in the ERG?

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Tory voters are overwhelmingly for Brexit, whereas Labour voters are split on the issue depending on where they are.

 

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[IpKaiFung]

I know Labour had their moment with Derek Hatton but look who's joined the Conservative party.

 

[PJV3]

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Maybe I just haven't noticed before but he is looking a bit fucking rough behind the glasses and lighting.

He was meant to be wavering when the crappest coup in politics was going on.


Lol, the Banks news is the icing on the fucking cake, I hope he gets arrested by next Tuesday.

 

[Kirblar]

Maybe I just haven't noticed before but he is looking a bit fucking rough behind the glasses and lighting.

He was meant to be wavering when the crappest coup in politics was going on.

Lol, the Banks news is the icing on the fucking cake, I hope he gets arrested by next Tuesday.

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Yeah wow he looks like he aged two decades overnight.

 

[PJV3]

Yeah wow he looks like he aged two decades overnight.

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I imagine it's getting really unpleasant behind the scenes, and he hasn't exactly had an easy ride up to this point either.

 

[Pankratous]

Been thinking more and more about this, but man do I feel sympathetic for the constituents of the breakaway Labour MPs; especially those in pretty deprived areas.

With the decision for these MPs to stand elsewhere in Labour/Tory marginals, these MPs are basically just using their constituencies for a warm seat in Parliament.

Worse still, they may be key in enabling or even propping up the Conservative Government in the right scenario. Luciana Berger has a nearly 30% child poverty rate in her Liverpool Wavertree constituency, and we all know Tory austerity has at least exacerbated the problem. Then you've got Anna Soubry defending austerity today, and Heidi Allen's "say one thing and do another" voting record. They aren't particularly inspiring bedfellows when it comes to stopping the damage.

And then finally, not allowing by-elections while advocating for a People's Vote is... well, plainly hypocritical.

What a way to tell these communities "you don't matter".

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All good points and something I was thinking about too. Seems like political career suicide.

 

[RellikSK]

I know Labour had their moment with Derek Hatton but look who's joined the Conservative party.

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Edit: Read it wrong

 

[Gawge]

 

[Deleted member 862]

I would still like to see a second ref but it really does feel like it's been hijacked by opportunists.

This is also a prime example of why I don't worry about Labours message come election time or when the world of politics is expanded outside of the twittersphere. They never attack the policies or the manifesto because the ideas are popular and they know their stale neoliberal third way bollocks is dead.

 

[Koukalaka]

Just revoke it ya fannies!

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My MP doing good work - and all the local Tories can talk about is a fucking optional car parking tax.

 

[Simon21]

Anna Soubry stopping just about short of just straight up calling Theresa May racist.

 

[IpKaiFung]

TM is a racist.

However I believe most if not all of those fuckers the IG voted for the hostile environment plan while TM was Home Sec.

It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Deleted member 888]

Anna Soubry stopping just about short of just straight up calling Theresa May racist.

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"I think she has a problem with immigration"

Hey Google, can you translate that into common talk?

"I think she is a racist cunt who hates brown and black people".

Thanks Google.

 

[PJV3]

She "thinks" May has a problem with immigration, I think I'm living in a comedy or something equally daft, the fuck off vans, the obsession with immigration numbers, lying about a cat in a court case related to deportations, thank god for Eagle eye Soubry.

 

[Koukalaka]

TM is a racist.

However I believe most if not all of those fuckers the IG voted for the hostile environment plan while TM was Home Sec.

It's like the pot calling the kettle black.

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Not sure about all of them - Berger's record on this seems good from a quick glance at They Work For You.

 

[Axe]

I don't know if this was posted earlier, but this part caught my eye, especially after seeing the Aaron Banks tweet above:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/tory-mps-right-wing-entryism-deselections?ref=hpsplash

At least three remaining Tory MPs face live deselection attempts, with other MPs watching developments closely and considering resigning preemptively themselves if their colleagues are removed, BuzzFeed News has been told.

Nick Boles, who has led calls for a softer Brexit, is said to believe it is likely the attempt to remove him will succeed. Brexit opponent Dominic Grieve and Remain-voting minister Alan Duncan are currently facing deselection efforts.

A Conservative MP said: "This has been happening under the radar for months and has gone largely unreported. It is exactly the same as what has been happening in Labour. Conservative associations are being taken over by extremist entryists who are not Tories, and the party is nowhere near getting on top of it".

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[War Peaceman]

So wait Anne Soubry is saying Teresa May is a racist?! Thank goodness someone has finally said it! If only someone could have raised or done something about it in the years prior.

Still, glad she's doing something, even if it is years late.

 

[PJV3]

So wait Anne Soubry is saying Teresa May is a racist?! Thank goodness someone has finally said it! If only someone could have raised or done something about it in the years prior.

Still, glad she's doing something, even if it is years late.

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Didn't Osborne and Cameron say she was fucking nuts when it came to immigration, she would not bend on counting students when they asked her to.

 

[Doctor_Thomas]

Theresa May being outright outed as a racist is more progress in one night than I expected.

 

[Deleted member 888]

Let's not forget May struggled to show empathy or even humanity when it was pretty much exclusively brown and black people burning alive at Grenfell.

 

[Gareth]

I don't know if this was posted earlier, but this part caught my eye, especially after seeing the Aaron Banks tweet above:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/alexwickham/tory-mps-right-wing-entryism-deselections?ref=hpsplash

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I wasn't aware of this until yesterday when the Tory MPs quit and spoke about it. I've been reading about people wanting to get Labour MPs deselected for months though!

 

[Tygre]

The absolute state of this.

This is it. We've reached the final stage of policy-free, fact-free, politics via spin alone, where what you do doesn't matter, and neither does what you say, as long as you say it in a nice way.

Pro-Austerity? Anti-Austerity? Who cares! What matters is we're very clear that this is a fresh start and a new way of doing things. What things? Well that's hardly important! The important thing is we want to do things in a new way, free from the old ways that didn't work. Why didn't they work? That's not our problem! Because were going to be doing things in a way that does work.

 

[PJV3]

Let's not forget May struggled to show empathy or even humanity when it was pretty much exclusively brown and black people burning alive at Grenfell.

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I think thats the real issue, she the ultra cold, soulless beaurocrat, with a dash of little englander thrown in. If your paperwork isn't 100% complete she's throwing you out even if you have lived here 80 years.

 

[Ravensmash]

I feel like this 'group' would have got more momentum (no pun intended) if Soubry had been there on day 1 as opposed to day 2.

She's a national name, hopefully something good comes of this.

It probably won't because, 2019, but yeah.

 

[Deleted member 862]

The absolute state of this.

This is it. We've reached the final stage of policy-free, fact-free, politics via spin alone, where what you do doesn't matter, and neither does what you say, as long as you say it in a nice way.

Pro-Austerity? Anti-Austerity? Who cares! What matters is we're very clear that this is a fresh start and a new way of doing things. What things? Well that's hardly important! The important thing is we want to do things in a new way, free from the old ways that didn't work. Why didn't they work? That's not our problem! Because were going to be doing things in a way that does work.

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it really is a load of self-serving vapid shite.

 

[PJV3]

it really is a load of self-serving vapid shite.

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If they are going kamikaze then it makes sense, if the plan is to really form a party then it won't last a week.

 

[Acorn]

I think thats the real issue, she the ultra cold, soulless beaurocrat, with a dash of little englander thrown in. If your paperwork isn't 100% complete she's throwing you out even if you have lived here 80 years.

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Her spirit animal is a job centre advisor that sanctions people for being 1 minute late in snow.
Or a post office counter person lecturing on weight limits for first class stamps

 

[Haubergeon]

Having no real policies and no coherent vision, let alone a structural one of any kind, is such a trademark of Third Way PR politics and seeing this all play out is so on the nose it hurts.