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A 69-year-old man asks to be declared 49, claiming age is as fluid as gender
- Thread starter Saya
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"The whole fluid gender and transgender people thing is obviously bullshit for attention, so imma troll them and do the same and claim I can be anything! Lol!"
Some more information about this person:
Had his own racist political party
Had tea and cosied up with the lovely Erdogan
Was convicted for abusing his ex-girlfriend
Believes in Phrenoology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology)
Had his own racist political party
Had tea and cosied up with the lovely Erdogan
Was convicted for abusing his ex-girlfriend
Believes in Phrenoology (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrenology)
Woo, I can finally be twenty again, and work even longer to ever be able to retire!
Also this, I was wondering if I'm the only one who remembered him.
Also this, I was wondering if I'm the only one who remembered him.
for those that dont get this reference
one of the best moments in the show
I guess you could argue that if you have the mental and biological age of someone younger it could work? And by argue I don't mean what this dude claims, I mean actual data to back it up. Is he going through any sort of therapy to effectively refund the last twenty years of his life, biologically speaking? Are there doctors that would back up his claims?
The claim presented here sounds absurd, but can you apply the arguments being made in this thread against this guy to something like transgernderism(is this a word?) and still retain the same position that you currently hold while remaining logically consistent?
To be clear, I think he's arguing in bad faith. I'm approaching this as more of a thought experiment to test my world view. He's probably just the world's oldest channer, who also wants to fuck younger women.
The claim presented here sounds absurd, but can you apply the arguments being made in this thread against this guy to something like transgernderism(is this a word?) and still retain the same position that you currently hold while remaining logically consistent?
To be clear, I think he's arguing in bad faith. I'm approaching this as more of a thought experiment to test my world view. He's probably just the world's oldest channer, who also wants to fuck younger women.
Transphobic piece of garbage. Fuck him, and fuck papers like Washington Post for giving him so much as the time of day to spread his garbage.
Of course, not surprised to see people already jumping at the bit to use him to try and be clever to justify their own transphobia, just like people did with Rachel Dolezal from the moment they first her found out about her and thought they were being oh-so-clever there as well; it's literally the same nonsense. Just makes it easier for me to know who's not even worth bothering with based on who bites just as with her though, I suppose.
Of course, not surprised to see people already jumping at the bit to use him to try and be clever to justify their own transphobia, just like people did with Rachel Dolezal from the moment they first her found out about her and thought they were being oh-so-clever there as well; it's literally the same nonsense. Just makes it easier for me to know who's not even worth bothering with based on who bites just as with her though, I suppose.
I see. Not surprised by any of this. When there's one kind of fuckery going on, there's usually more right where that came from. Again, absolutely fuck this guy, 100%
I'm forty and look sixteen, but requesting that the state change my age to that would never enter my head (or even any other younger age). This guy is off his rocker. You are as young as you feel, but that doesn't mean your body is as young as you want it to be. He's not asking to change a controversial opinion, he's asking to change a stated fact.
Bizarre.
Bizarre.
Any other Dutch people cracking up about the fact the article states that Arnhem is southeast of Amsterdam, like it's a suburb.. I guess they're technically not wrong, still amusing to see that phrase.
To non-dutchies, don't pay attention to this dipshit. We certainly don't.
To non-dutchies, don't pay attention to this dipshit. We certainly don't.
Age is just a number. He can feel as old or young as he wants. But the fact that he wants a new number, but can't even settle on which one he wants, is telling to how disingenuous his comparison to transgender individuals is. It's clearly an argument made in bad faith, specifically to denigrate transgender people.
The guy is a self-help guru. Companies pay him to be a motivational speaker. Showed up on Dutch TV a lot, starred in ads for random consumer products. Loud and obnoxious. Thought very little of him. Thought even less of him when it was clear he was a racist fuck with far right sympathies.
Absolutely. I think it's a bad argument and he's a piece of shit. I was just pondering why it was a bad argument.
self-proclaimed centrists when right wingers denigrate the humanity of trans people: "hmmmm how interesting, i'll have to think about this one, thank you for your contribution to the marketplace of ideas"
self-proclaimed centrists when left wingers insult right wingers in response for their bigotry: "civility is dead?? how dare you insult this intellectual just for having an opinion???? didn't anyone ever tell you that it's wrong to judge people based on how they identify??"
in a flip of their classic line, i'm gonna have to ask the moderates who selectively ask people to disavow radical views to please disavow these pretend moderates, or else that makes them a radical too
self-proclaimed centrists when left wingers insult right wingers in response for their bigotry: "civility is dead?? how dare you insult this intellectual just for having an opinion???? didn't anyone ever tell you that it's wrong to judge people based on how they identify??"
in a flip of their classic line, i'm gonna have to ask the moderates who selectively ask people to disavow radical views to please disavow these pretend moderates, or else that makes them a radical too
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Well stated!
Also, why don't they just let him change his age to 49? You can disqualify his entire argument by saying "sure dude, do what you want" then let him sleep in his wet blanket.
Then IMMEDIATELY disqualify him from medicaid benefits LOL.
Lol this is a self-own. You'd want it to be the other way around. Imagine how impressed people would be if you were "100" and had the physique of a 25 year old.
The organizational-activational hypothesis as the foundation for a unified theory of sexual differentiation of all mammalian tissues.
Back to the Future: The Organizational-Activational Hypothesis Adapted to Puberty and Adolescence
Sexual differentiation of the human brain in relation to gender identity and sexual orientation
Now you can go forth and acknowledge the biology of transgender people existing for what it is. :)
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Probably because they are a ton of transphobic people everywhere who love to use proxy stories to belittle trans people because they know they can't get away with over transphobia as much anymore
It doesn't seem like you are though? You gave your list of potential reasons that might make his claims reasonable, then challenged everyone else to apply their own arguments against him to trans people and see if they held up (as if they would.)
It's a poor argument because he is likening age to name and gender for the sole reason that they are all in the group "things that appear on your birth certificate" when they are actually three completely different kinds of things. It's not a complex issue. This isn't an intellectual discussion that requires pondering.
Nobody is over compensating, this dude isn't serious and no one is taking him seriously
This is all song and dance to mock trans people
This is absurd. Age is a physical status determined by your trips around the sun. It is nothing to do with how you feel or how you identify yourself.
Not to derail, but I think a more interesting discussion would be whether or not it's acceptable for people to identify as a different race. It's always kind of bothered me how Rachel Dolezal was demonized and how similar the rhetoric was to discounting people who identify as a gender that doesn't match their chromosomes. "She has a mental illness" or "You can't change biology", etc. I'm sure there are many people online who perhaps portray themselves as belonging to another race, and assuming they aren't promoting negative stereotypes, is this necessarily wrong? Is the line drawn at changing one's physical appearance to more closely resemble a different race? Why? Maybe I should just make a separate thread...
Not to derail, but I think a more interesting discussion would be whether or not it's acceptable for people to identify as a different race. It's always kind of bothered me how Rachel Dolezal was demonized and how similar the rhetoric was to discounting people who identify as a gender that doesn't match their chromosomes. "She has a mental illness" or "You can't change biology", etc. I'm sure there are many people online who perhaps portray themselves as belonging to another race, and assuming they aren't promoting negative stereotypes, is this necessarily wrong? Is the line drawn at changing one's physical appearance to more closely resemble a different race? Why? Maybe I should just make a separate thread...
Can you elaborate on
"At some point we need to start acknowledging biology for what it is"
please?
I started to write a big response, but honestly you nailed it so I'll just +1 this. Fuck this conservative asshole and his childish, petty games.
There's a sense in which we already understand "age" as a fluid concept. People can be "old souls" or "young for their age." "You're only as old as you feel" is a common aphorism.
But that's obviously not the same thing as intersex or transgender people. "Date of birth" doesn't exist on a continuum with multiple overlapping and varied contributing factors.
This guy is a lazy and obvious troll.
But that's obviously not the same thing as intersex or transgender people. "Date of birth" doesn't exist on a continuum with multiple overlapping and varied contributing factors.
This guy is a lazy and obvious troll.
Damn, that's some vintage, 1800's style racism. Maybe he should claim he's actually 169.
This is like the gender version of "I'm not racist but..."
Well then I should be clearer in explaining why his arguments are bad. Admittedly, you've outlined most of the issues that I see in it. He's taking the end result, the change information on an official ID, and asking why it can't be done for other things like age. Anyone who will see this as a sort of "gotcha" is only approaching this at a surface level. They aren't engaging with the subject at the required level. They're not taking into account the biological or psychological reasons why trans people exist. It's not because they felt like they needed to spice up their life a bit.
Your date of birth? Something that you're born with. Your name? Something given to you at birth. Your gender? Something that you're born with.
The first is an undeniable fact. That was the day that you were brought into this world. The second is something so arbitrary that it can be changed with little repercussion, right? And third, sex is a grouping that can best describe your current gender. At birth, they identify by outward appearance. As you live you life, you may find that you better identify as the opposite sex. That's what the ability to change this is in place for. Unless I'm woefully mistaken?
I was originally approaching this as more of a look into the possibilty of changing your biological age. Even in that case, would a change on an official ID really be necessary? I mean, it still wouldn't change when you were born.
Like I posted earlier, I look at this more of a way to test my internal consistency than actually trying to legitimize this dude's argument.
There are studies that show the brains of trans people actually align more with their identity than their birth sex. There is also a study that shows how male to female transitioning people are more likely to have a longer version of a receptor gene that reduces the gene's ability to bind testosterone. And these are just two examples.
The difference is that trans women ARE women, and the science is showing us this. It's not about "feeling" female and choosing to identify as female for a male to female trans person, it's about BEING female.
Dolezal may identify with black culture and people more, but that's all it is. An affinity, not an identity that she cannot escape.
As a white women she chose to adopt black skin and culture as her own, trans people don't have that choice they just are.
That's not a more interesting discussion at all because it misses the point entirely on why trans identities are real. We aren't just making it up, and we have doctors and scientific evidence backing us up that our identities are real. I want you to read through the stuff I've put here before (https://www.resetera.com/threads/transgender-101.25656/) just because I don't feel like copy and pasting it over, and then I want you to sit here and tell me how you think this comparison is anything real and not insulting to both trans people and the communities who have their race made fun of by people like her. And by that I mean, I want you to realize why these things aren't comparable and why it upsets us when people constantly bring her up as well as pull stunts like the man in the OP. And to answer your question, yes it is wrong. 100%.
