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We could just look at the quality of RLMs content as a whole and arrive at the same conclusion.
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Funnily enough I'm confused what the point you're trying to make here is.
I thought that was pretty shitty at the time, too, considering he never had any problems talking about bad remakes of stuff like Robocop, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Ninja Turtles, etc. and only took it as a point of principle to avoid this particular thing because reasons
Leave the Ninja Turtles out of it. They had feminist icon, Megan Fox.
If that's true it makes his decision to not watch Ghostbusters suspect as fuck. But I don't follow the dude so I dunno what the context is exactly.
Glad that people are finally catching up with their bullshit. Their insufferable reviews are enough to never watch them again.
I don't know. They love Ripley/Aliens, Sarah Conor/Terminator. They'll usually say that Hollywood is using diversity for marketing's sake, not out of honesty.
Whatever the case, love their content.
Whatever the case, love their content.
So? No really why does that matter? Diversity even if it's not 100% honest (which I don't think a bunch of middle aged white guys should get to decide) is still good.
It's hard for me to say they are sexist when they do praise solid female led movies, I agree with others here that they seem to target the big blockbusters that have minorities in them because they think that it's for marketing.
At the same time YouTube has become so muddled in alt lite discourse regarding Hollywood movies it's easy to view them as the OP. It might not even be incorrect
At the same time YouTube has become so muddled in alt lite discourse regarding Hollywood movies it's easy to view them as the OP. It might not even be incorrect
There is a Leftist critique of this, but RLM are not smart enough to make it.
Here's a hint for everyone.. the fact that they may have praised leads/characters who are women does not make them left wing or progressive. It also does not erase their shitty takes and rhetoric.
"See, they did/said something good once or twice" is a weak ass counterpoint to everything laid out in the OP.
"See, they did/said something good once or twice" is a weak ass counterpoint to everything laid out in the OP.
I unsubbed from that channel the moment I finished watching that video.
Them loving two female characters and using the same rhetoric disingenuous people already use to invalidate diversity doesn't actually say much when a decade ago the argument against representation was bullshit like "sex sells" & "straight white actors pull in audiences" and "it's a job so they have to pick the best people for it". Yeah Black Panther probably wasn't made because any executives at Disney/Marvel were being 100% altruistic and progressive but the film remains important for actually being representation that bucks the status quo. Things can be marketed as well as actually important for changing the way things are done. Diversity can only exist when people and companies actually make the choices to be diverse. Whether it's cynical or not doesn't matter when the entire damn system is cynical anyway.
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i absolutely can't stand listening to a monotone voice make cinemasins-esque points about why a movie is bullshit as though theres no disputing said points at all while i instantly come up with 3 different reasons that the logic being used doesn't track. (and its ALWAYS framed as logic, never opinion)
these guys seem like the epitome of the shitty irreverent nerd caricature that people on the internet fall into so easily. i could do their shtick a lot better than they do, but i personally don't get off on the idea of being an asshole who's always right.
these guys seem like the epitome of the shitty irreverent nerd caricature that people on the internet fall into so easily. i could do their shtick a lot better than they do, but i personally don't get off on the idea of being an asshole who's always right.
Yep. If I could believe for a moment that they were actually socialist or that their critique was framed around a socialist lens, I'd agree. They do a good job of hiding it.
The TMNT movie was good. It did what it needed to, which was parody of the Nolan Batman movies and their overwrought, well, everything
They are shit because they are sexist. Just listen to them talk.
I do love however how minorities have to be casted out of strictly pure and artistic reasons. Never comes to mind with white dudes.
He does lots of movie reviews, including a series focused on horror movies every October, and has never shied away from watching and discussing remakes when they come up there, including stuff like Rob Zombie's Halloween flicks and the pretty unremarkable Elm Street remake, or talking about the Robocop remake when it was current, which is why deciding to take a stand on Ghostbusters in particular stood out.
I never actually watched the current live action TMNT movies so I wasn't really commenting on their quality, more the fact that he had no problem talking about stuff like The Next Mutation.
People like to miss Hbomberguy's actual conclusion of that video to act like he's making a similar point to RLM, but I agree with you.
I don't understand the "corporations are just using diversity for profit" criticism. Corps use anything for profit, why is this being made into a talking point? It's not like the 100000 white guy stars who came before were not used in this way. People aren't cheering for corps to make money, they're cheering for representation to bleed into areas where it hasn't been before. If diversity and representation becomes profitable, this is a win for people who want PoC and women in more movies and lead roles. It's a byproduct of shifting social norms and expectations, not the other way around.
I'll just leave this here.
The end result is all that matters.
Yeah, that's a big ol pile of bullshit. If that was the case, then they wouldn't say that black kids doesn't care about seeing themselves on screen. And it's silly for little girls to see WW as a hero.
The end result is all that matters.
Which is what ?
Meaning the latter was more of an accurate depiction of the final product than the former.
I was originally saying the AVGN refusal to review Ghostbusters seems strange to me, if he did indeed have no issue with reviewing other remakes that were objectively as bad or worse. From there I'm totally lost as to what we're talking about lol
I'm a little bit older, so AVGN I feel is more my wavelength when it comes to the YouTube/Internet Video personalities. I don't think it was malice for him not to review the film, but it did two things that are strange. It capped his revenue and it also took away a perfect opportunity to make his point. At the time, it felt weird.
I think RLM hit a lot of notes of why Ghostbusters was such a big deal for a failed reboot property. I don't despise the reboot, but I'll always refer to is as an interesting case study. There is just so much going on.
This is always something I think of when AVGN is brought up. I remember a thread about AVGN with people saying that he's a 'saint' and acting like they personally know him saying 'he'd NEVER be like those other youtubers' . Then I remember this thing, being best friends and co-working with this guy and others like that Alpha Omega
The abruptness of just deciding "nope, not gunna do it" definitely raises my eyebrow, because there doesn't seem to be a logical reason for just outright refusing to review the movie. But again, I don't know what his content is like and I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. RLM on the other hand..
RLM also engaged in sexist behavior/commentary in regard to Ghostbusters. Which sours legitimate criticisms they might have. It's a shame because they can have useful and insightful commentary about the movies they're reviewing.
Ghostbusters also featured a racist and rapist. There aren't many positives from the get-go.
I wouldn't mind their "forced diversity to make money" points if they didn't handwave the way the diversity actually does good. Pointing to other, perhaps better role models they already have is stupid and overlooks the thousands of potential bland male role models. Or, more importantly, even just helping to make someone and their life-situation feel normal.
I can take or leave a lot of their edgy humor. I won't lie and say I don't find myself laughing at their black humor (I mean, the Osteoporosis Dance had me in tears). But the lack of awareness they show now and then is deeply sad for me.
I can take or leave a lot of their edgy humor. I won't lie and say I don't find myself laughing at their black humor (I mean, the Osteoporosis Dance had me in tears). But the lack of awareness they show now and then is deeply sad for me.
Who? Also whatever happened in regard to Ghostbusters doesn't counteract RLM's comments.
Papa John and Kobe Bryant. I didn't say it counteracted their comments, but focused on this film alone there isn't too much I take offense to.
I don't even remember them being in the movie but it's been a long ass time since I've seen it.
My point is that it's important to not to dismiss their comments because of whatever is in the film itself. Comments like..
Kinda hard to focus on whatever criticisms they have about the film when they're spewing shit like this.
No person of subject should be banned from this forum. We're all adults here, and shouldn't be treated like children.
I'd still mind their forced diversity points. Because there no such bloody thing.
Eh, I find it difficult to fault him for this. There's a difference between bad sequels which still have some value as B-movies and cynical corporate cash-ins off the back of beloved movies. The new Ghostbusters is virtually one step removed from an Adam Sandler movie in terms of the amount of product placement and by the numbers writing.
RLM's ghostbusters review is so fucking on point to me. Nailed it 1000%.
That's fair. I disagree with the fundamental claim of their argument as well. But it feels all the more toxic and wrong when they disregard the positives of what they claim.
The discussion is not just about banning the subject. It's about preventing this place from contributing ad revenue to suspect people who promote shitty things.
I don't think we should just pretend RLM doesn't exist, but it's not unwarranted for the forum to discuss whether or not its cool for us to raise awareness and effectively give money to people who are using their low scale celebrity status to push shitty things.
So with that said..
Is NakeyJakey being banned here on ERA? Since he associates with a known racist, sexist, etc.
Why is she hated on here?
It's because they're full of shit.
No no. I understand the argument. I just don't agree with it.
holy shiiiiiiiit woooooah
time to do a deep search for her racist thread on here
She lost her shit over black people voicing dogs in the Lady and the Tramp Disney+ remake.
Well damn, thanks.
Fastest unsub ever