A Critique of Red Letter Media’s Bigoted Content (See Staff Post)

Watershed

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Oct 26, 2017
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They have terrible views that show up in their content all the time. They have been an easy pass for me for a few years now.
 

MMarston

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Oct 27, 2017
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They're a channel that's waaay past its expiry date in terms of its humor and the kind of content they delivered. How anyone still refers to them as a valid source of film criticism boggles my mind.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Rich is pretty bad and some of their takes on film discourse is out of touch, but I think this a bit mountain out of a molehill. I won't watch any of their in-theater movie reviews anymore since they're painfully out of touch. BOTW and re:View are pretty great. Jay is bae tho.
 

Ashlette

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Oct 28, 2017
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You don't like the Plinket prequel reviews? I thought they were mindbendingly entertaining. Not endorsing all viewpoints expressed by them, of course.
I don't get this point of view. I loved jontron's reviews before he outed himself as a piece of shit. Why is redlettermedia treated as an exception?
 

Illithid Dude

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Oct 26, 2017
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I haven't watched their videos in years, but I don't love this idea of attempting to cancel them just because they aren't as far left progressive as some might want them to be. I don't think that Red Letter Media is a right wing institution. They rail against entitled fan boy culture just as much far more often than their quoted infringements upon leftist beliefs. If I remember correctly, their comments against Ghostbusters pertained more to that Paul Feige was using feminism as a defense against the poor response to his bad movie than it was that the Ghostbusters themselves were female. I'm sure they would have been fine with a gender switched ghostbusting team if the core film was good, but alas. Of course, anyone is entitled to dislike Red Letter Media and stop watching their content. I barely watch them myself nowadays. But to ask that we as a community collectively stop supporting Red Letter Media because of a few cherry picked examples culled from literally hundreds of videos feels like a step too far.
 

NoMoreTrolls

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Oct 25, 2017
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I still find a lot of their half in the bag reviews to be informative, and their taste in movies often align with mine. Their recommendations and annual roundups are great ways for me to find out about movies I may have missed. The Plinket Star Wars prequel reviews are absolute gold. Best of the Worst is dope as hell, too, along with their games side content.

I know they've said a bunch of suspect shit lately, especially as outlined in the OP, but they put out far more content that is devoid of such controversy (anything related to Marvel or Brie Larson obviously notwithstanding). They make up a ton of my admittedly limited YouTube time, and I would struggle to drop the channel. They need to be better, for sure. Mike tends to be the source of most of the objectionable moments on their channel; the other 4 hosts and co hosts are mostly fine.
Era beats its chest about how progressive they are but they are just as terrible on this front as everyone else.
Yawn I've seen variations of "Era isn't progressive because they still [INSERT VERY SPECIFIC, PERSONAL CRITERION HERE]" all over this forum
Can we stop with this tired ass take
 

Kitad

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Feb 15, 2018
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I'm going to be the dissenting opinion in this thread but I've never taken their cynicism as to mean racism or sexism, as much as their beef is with corporate exploting the zeitgeist to sell you more toys.

Like when Mike complains about disney paying lip service the idea of diversity but also refuse to give the directorial position in the 24 star wars productions to anyone but white dudes.

Or the Brie Larson thing, they mostly complained about how she is acting like a bastion of gender equality while just being a rich white actress from Hollywood who made a mediocre movie and nothing else. They also praised Daisy Ridley constantly when TFA came out and if they were sexists wouldn't they have joined the hate against her?
 

Khanimus

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Oct 25, 2017
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What is crazy to me is their refusal to ever apologize or even acknowledge their hurtful and bigoted comments.

Rich Evans had the gal to tell feminists to let Donald fucking Trump "do his job".
Like I follow Giantbomb alot. Every once in a while, an older video pops up from as early as 10 years ago, and you hear something that comes off as like "yeesh, that joke doesn't play so well now." Thing is, they didn't just stay static, or worse, double down on the regressive shit. They atleast try to do better by people, including marginalized voices, in all these years since. And one time years back when Ryan Davis (who passed away in 2013) dropped a shitty slur on a stream, he went on the forums and directly apologized, not blaming the people "for being offended," but for him being an asshole in that moment and taking responsibility for it. Like... that's such a low fucking bar, but considering the cultural dumpster fire games are in, that's still an exception to how moments like that (repeatedly) play out with streamers and online personalities.

Whereas these guys, in the same span of time, in the face of the world we live in, just nestled in to being mediocre shitty white dudes who will act like anyone calling out their shit is just some over-sensitive crybaby.
 

Cheebo

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Oct 25, 2017
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I haven't watched their videos in years, but I don't love this idea of attempting to cancel them just because they aren't as far left progressive as some might want them to be.
Watch the Rich Evans Twitch video. He isn't just "not left enough". He outright and angrily attacks and mocks feminists and the women's march on DC to support women rights. He insists they need to let Trump do his job.
 

Seesaw15

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Oct 27, 2017
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Been watching RLM since 2011. Found the Plinkett reviews entertaining(edited versions), thought the analysis/skits on HitB to be insightful/funny, really enjoyed Botw and Re:view. In 2019 the only content I watch from them are certain episodes of BotW( when they watch non-narrative films its usually bad) and Re:View which I still thoroughly enjoy.

But oh boy whenever RLM( Mike or Rich) try analyze social issues do they ever show their ass. The most charitable reading is that they are a bunch of 40 something midwest white guys who don't know better but even then its still makes for terrible content.
 

Santini

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Oct 25, 2017
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Haven't watched them in years, but didn't know they were trash until today. Thanks for the heads up, OP.

It'd be great if YouTube had an "ignore content by these creators" feature, as the film stuff I do watch sometimes throws up a RLM thumbnail. Never clicking on those again.
 

BWoog

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Oct 27, 2017
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Watch the Rich Evans Twitch video. He isn't just "not left enough". He outright and angrily attacks and mocks feminists and the women's march on DC to support women rights. He insists they need to let Trump do his job.
I remember watching a “Pre Rec” where Jack was explaining to Rich why he was scared of Trump. Ie “my kids have classmates that have gay parents, and it’s clear this guy is a monstrous bigot.” and RIch just sort of shrugged it off.

Why is it so fucking hard to show empathy?
 

Icemonk191

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Oct 25, 2017
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I haven't watched their videos in years, but I don't love this idea of attempting to cancel them just because they aren't as far left progressive as some might want them to be. I don't think that Red Letter Media is a right wing institution. They rail against entitled fan boy culture just as much far more often than their quoted infringements upon leftist beliefs. If I remember correctly, their comments against Ghostbusters pertained more to that Paul Feige was using feminism as a defense against the poor response to his bad movie than it was that the Ghostbusters themselves were female. I'm sure they would have been fine with a gender switched ghostbusting team if the core film was good, but alas. Of course, anyone is entitled to dislike Red Letter Media and stop watching their content. I barely watch them myself nowadays. But to ask that we as a community collectively stop supporting Red Letter Media because of a few cherry picked examples culled from literally hundreds of videos feels like a step too far.
Wow not being racist and sexist is being far left now! Good to know!
 

NoMoreTrolls

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Oct 25, 2017
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Rich Evans is outwardly pretty pro-Trump when he isn't "on" so I wouldn't go that far.
Hmm, I guess I wouldn't know. My association with the people on that channel pretty much begins and ends with the content itself. Haven't seen any overt Trump stuff in 100s of hours of produced content. Does he pop off on Twitter or what?
 

Lashley

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Oct 25, 2017
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If you can watch that sexist angry pro-trump rant and still watch their videos after...I mean come on.
I didn't watch the rant and I don't plan to.

They don't mention trump or any shit like that in their best of the worst videos, so yes, I find those entertaining.

You don't, fair enough.
 

ldcommando

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Oct 26, 2017
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no
 

Cheebo

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Oct 25, 2017
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I didn't watch the rant and I don't plan to.

They don't mention trump or any shit like that in their best of the worst videos, so yes, I find those entertaining.

You don't, fair enough.
Someone provides evidence of Rich Evans being a sexist bigot away from RLM and you refuse to watch it so you can continue to generate ad revenue for him in willful ignorance?
 

Lashley

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Oct 25, 2017
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Someone provides evidence of Rich Evans being a sexist bigot away from RLM and you refuse to watch it so you can continue to generate ad revenue for him in willful ignorance?
Rich Evan's being a shit heel doesnt make the BotW videos any less entertaining.

Just like Mel Gibson being a cunt didn't make Lethal Weapon suddenly bad.
 

Jie Li

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They are fine for the most part. Emperor Palpatine surgical reconstruction center video is very very funny.
 

Fj0823

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Oct 25, 2017
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ERA keeps giving them a pass because they sure showed those prequels huh?

Pay no mind to the equally sexist TFA "review"
 

KG

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Oct 12, 2018
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Thanks OP! Would watch them on and off, but now it is a never from me! Fuck them! I will also spread the word to my friends.
 

Gestahl

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Nov 2, 2017
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They're maliciously bigoted and sexist in the same way that Attack on Titan is anti-semitic
 

NoMoreTrolls

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also what's with this push to ban discussion of every single thing that a portion of the site disagrees with? Just ignore threads about those things; it's not like the forum is totally riddled with RLM threads other than the community OT and the multiple threads we've had today to call them out.
I understand some serially problematic people getting silenced here, like Boogie, but I don't think RLM has nearly the problem/content ratio that Boogie does, given that they mostly talk innocuous shit about movies outside of the few instances in the OP.
 
More bigotry
Oct 26, 2017
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You should add their shitty remarks from review of Godzilla. I will try to find the specific quote.

Found it.


Godzilla 2019, AKA King of the Monsters, which is sexist, cuz we don't know Godzilla's gender.

Godzilla's a male

Well, he could be gender fluid. No one can understand -roars-.....I guess (some monster name) kind of can. She never asks him if he's gender fluid. She just wanted to get him to calm the fuck down. But she didn't ask him his preference."
 

TAJ

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Oct 28, 2017
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Their Captain Marvel review was industrial strength cringe, but the OP is incredibly disingenuous. Either that or they're just copy/pasting links without watching the videos.
Like one of the tiny partial quotes is from a segment where they're talking about what they liked about the well-done attempts at multi-culturalism in Star Trek:TOS and TFA.
 

Metallix87

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Nov 1, 2017
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Also what's with this push to ban discussion of e every single thing that a portion of the site disagrees with? Just ignore threads about those things; it's not like the forum is totally riddled with RLM threads other than the community OT and the multiple threads we've had today to call them out.
I understand some serially problematic people getting silenced here, like Boogie, but I don't think RLM has nearly the problem/content ratio that Boogie does, given that they mostly talk innocuous shit about movies outside of the few instances in the OP.
I agree with the bolded. It's fairly common rhetoric on here, too.