That's not how I remember 2017 tbhThe rhetoric that liberals and women are crybabies because Trump won only comes from one place.
That's not how I remember 2017 tbhThe rhetoric that liberals and women are crybabies because Trump won only comes from one place.
I swear this forum sometimes, got a reason to hate almost everything.
You're really trying to argue that his rhetoric in that video can be classified as centrism? The idea that democrats are a mess and need to get their shit together, yes. Calling women crybabies for protesting a serial rapist and groper, no.
The unfunny reactionary writing brings down the latest Plinkett Star Wars reviews.They have their issues but taking a Plinkett video at face value... come on
I'm pretty confident in what I said. How many videos of theirs have you watch?
They have their issues but taking a Plinkett video at face value... come on
yeah, centrism is generally just conservatism from that pompous "why doesn't everyone calm down and listen to me, the smart one in the middle" angleYou're really trying to argue that his rhetoric in that video can be classified as centrism?
The problem there is that the line between Plinkett the character and cast themselves has become increasingly blurred as they continue to lean into the things that resonates most with their audience. Obviously they aren't out there torturing sex workers and cooking cats in microwaves, but the shitty things that Plinkett used to say ironically eventually became the things that the crew said ironically, and that is slowly starting to become things they are saying unironically.And Plinkett is a character that is meant to be racist, misogynistic, and a serial killer that is more than 100 years old.
I posted receipts (in the OP). Where are yours? I'll wait. Show me just how progressive they are.I'm pretty confident in what I said. How many videos of theirs have you watch?
You assumed you were defending Mel Gibson instead of RLM, in a RLM thread?
Rich Evan's being a shit heel doesnt make the BotW videos any less entertaining.
Just like Mel Gibson being a cunt didn't make Lethal Weapon suddenly bad.
That's not what he said. He's bashing women/protesters and defending Trump. That's not centrism. He took Trump's side.yeah, centrism is generally just conservatism from that pompous "why doesn't everyone calm down and listen to me, the smart one in the middle" angle
You know what, I enjoy a lot of music from black metal bands with horrible views. You know what I don't do though? Go into a thread showcasing their problems and then trying to justify listening to them. Or at least I hope I haven't done something like that.
I posted receipts (in the OP). Where are yours? I'll wait. Show me just how progressive they are.
I've seen some people take A Modest Proposal at face value this year.
No. I helped organize some of the OP. But nice detective work
You know what, I enjoy a lot of music from black metal bands with horrible views. You know what I don't do though? Go into a thread showcasing their problems and then trying to justify listening to them. Or at least I hope I haven't done something like that.
No he didn't. It's the classic "stop being children and give Trump a chance, by protesting before he does anything bad you seem childish" along with "by attacking Trump and his supporters unfairly you are radicalizing them" bs, just like I said. Obviously both statements are complete bs for a ton of reasons but they were everywhere in late 2016/early 2017 from all sides including ""leftists""" who voted for Donald the Dove over Warhawk Killary Clinton.That's not what he said. He's bashing women/protesters and defending Trump. That's not centrism. He took Trump's side.
Nope.
That's not what he said. He's bashing women/protesters and defending Trump. That's not centrism. He took Trump's side.
Hey maybe those people aren't actually progressive leftists. Just a thought.No he didn't. It's the classic "stop being children and give Trump a chance, by protesting before he does anything bad you seem childish" along with "by attacking Trump and his supporters unfairly you are radicalizing them" bs, just like I said. Obviously both statements are complete bs for a ton of reasons but they were everywhere in last 2016/early 2017 from all sides including ""leftists""" who voted for Donald the Dove over Warhawk Killary Clinton.
Yes 42 posts since 2017.
No he didn't. It's the classic "stop being children and give Trump a chance, by protesting before he does anything bad you seem childish" along with "by attacking Trump and his supporters unfairly you are radicalizing them" bs, just like I said. Obviously both statements are complete bs for a ton of reasons but they were everywhere in last 2016/early 2017 from all sides including ""leftists""" who voted for Donald the Dove over Warhawk Killary Clinton.
Yes he did side with Trump:i think this is where theres a disconnect, at no point in that quote do i feel him defending trump
It's less taking it at face value as it is taking it in context.They have their issues but taking a Plinkett video at face value... come on
I'm not going to because I don't have the time and (again) I don't want to come across like I'm defending their racism/sexism by going "See they aren't so bad." I was more curious on your opinion.I posted receipts (in the OP). Where are yours? I'll wait. Show me just how progressive they are.
It's a well known fact that Hillary "Mad Dog" Clinton personally killed five dozen Americans in Benghazi with sniper rounds. Not with a rifle. I mean she actually pushed the individual bullets into people's ear canals and soft palates with her bare hands. It's all documented, believe me.No he didn't. It's the classic "stop being children and give Trump a chance, by protesting before he does anything bad you seem childish" along with "by attacking Trump and his supporters unfairly you are radicalizing them" bs, just like I said. Obviously both statements are complete bs for a ton of reasons but they were everywhere in last 2016/early 2017 from all sides including ""leftists""" who voted for Donald the Dove over Warhawk Killary Clinton.
Yes he did side with Trump:
"And you see something like this protest, and that's.. "god look at those crybabies".. I'm with Trump!"
From the OP. This isn't both sides shit, its straight Fox News garbage.
Okay so just to be clear... this is a transcription of a video conversation. Not the way it was actually formatted right? Because it's formatted to make it seem like the "I'm with Trump" is its own thing when it should clearly beYes he did side with Trump:
"And you see something like this protest, and that's.. "god look at those crybabies".. I'm with Trump!"
From the OP. This isn't both sides shit, its straight Fox News garbage.
My opinion is I've seen a lot of their videos and never seen anything that comes across as seriously progressive. And I've yet to see any evidence of it.I'm not going to because I don't have the time and (again) I don't want to come across like I'm defending their racism/sexism by going "See they aren't so bad." I was more curious on your opinion.
The Ghostbusters 2016 discourse was in fact very toxic and overheated and hostile towards people who just say they didn't like the film, and at the risk of catching heat myself, I actually agree with their complaint. Let's not pretend that Hollywood is above playing up having an all-female cast and trying to use that simple fact to deflect criticism. Hell, I know I would at least TRY to if someone came after a very expensive thing I made that starred all women. "You don't like it because you're sexist" would probably be the first thing I said. It's an easy win because it puts the critics on notice that negative talk about your property is going to be put into a box that's going to be hard to get out of. This is not to deny that sexist comments did exist, but actually if you watch the video, a good chunk of time is spent trying to analyze how much of that commentary actually existed and what impact it had vs. the well-circulated PR statements crowing about how the film was under attack.
Their whining about Brie Larson (which went on for like 20 minutes) boiled down to her voicing criticism about the limited range of voices in the press and critic sphere - a systemtic pattern which is all too normal in Hollywood. This is the thing that motivated them to spend 20 minutes ranting about her? And the best argument they could come up with was "look, here are isolated clips of people interviewing her that aren't white men," as if they found some kinda gotcha?
And throw in a clip of her being sarcastic in a video and they go on to call her a "nasty person" because of it. As if that totally didn't have an undercurrent of misogyny to it.
So, please tell me, what the fuck did any of this have to do with Captain Marvel to warrant being in this video?
ye. but I'm saying that rich speech was very common to hear from any random white man at that time period, especially older ones. there's a lot in the OP that's more troubling and more recent imoHey maybe those people aren't actually progressive leftists. Just a thought.
Some people seriously thought that have a black man in the White House somehow meant that racism didn't exist anymore.Re-watching their Ghostbusters 2016 Science Man analysis and its amazing how poorly its aged. Essentially saying that racism/sexism is fake news/ statically insignificant 4 months before the 2016 elections is kind of incredible. Buts its a critism they use whenever a diverse movie comes out. " X group of people don't need representation. Stop pandering they already have historical figures/their parents."
you think the "im with trump" in the sentence is rich evans saying hes with trump?
Ok, I may have misunderstood what he was saying in that particular sentence. But that doesn't change the fact that he was clearly criticizing protesters and refusing to acknowledge anything that could possibly justify their anger or decision to protest. His rhetoric is clearly a defense of Trump, even if indirect. He doesn't criticize him, only the protesters.Okay so just to be clear... this is a transcription of a video conversation. Not the way it was actually formatted right? Because it's formatted to make it seem like the "I'm with Trump" is its own thing when it should clearly be
"And you see something like this protest and that's, 'God look at these crybabies, I'm with trump'".
It's the "if you call white people racist they become racists so Dems should drop identity policies and run to the right" bs I was talking about. If that's not a format choice of the OP and I'm wrong I apologize.
100% agreed, early 2017 was insufferable. But like I don't suddenly wonder if Rich has a collection of MAGA hats when I read that you know? He's still a racist thoOk, I may have misunderstood what he was saying in that particular sentence. But that doesn't change the fact that he was clearly criticizing protesters and refusing to acknowledge anything that could possibly justify their anger or decision to protest.
If he's equally criticizing the left and the right, he didn't do it in the video posted in the OP. He very clearly bashed protesters and said nothing bad about Trump. He also said "protest when he's done something wrong", heavily implying that there's no issues with what he had done up until that point.100% agreed, early 2017 was insufferable. But like I don't suddenly wonder if Rich has a collection of MAGA hats when I read that you know? He's still a racist tho
Ok, I may have misunderstood what he was saying in that particular sentence. But that doesn't change the fact that he was clearly criticizing protesters and refusing to acknowledge anything that could possibly justify their anger or decision to protest. His rhetoric is clearly a defense of Trump, even if indirect. He doesn't criticize him, only the protesters.
This was a very common thing. People were tripping over their civility erections to shout from the mountains about how we should "give [the grab em by the pussy guy] a chance". It was not exclusive to right wing circles.If he's equally criticizing the left and the right, he didn't do it in the video posted in the OP. He very clearly bashed protesters and said nothing bad about Trump. He also said "protest when he's done something wrong", heavily implying that there's no issues with what he had done up until that point.
I don't know if you thought this was supposed to be a rebuke of what I wrote, but you really just quadrupled down on why I think these guys are obnoxious assholes who have poisoned online film discourse, lolHuh? But they've always made fun of the personalities beneath the films. Did you not see the Plinkett reviews and how much they tear into George's psyche? Same thing with TLJ. Rian Johnson was almost the star of that review. They also shitted on both Bill Murray and Paul Fieg on the Ghostbusters review.
Then Era must be the wrong place for you lolI also really don't care for their cynicism towards everything. Really tiring.
Centrism implies both sides. There was no other side in Rich's rant, it was simply bashing protesters and defending Trump. He said Trump hadn't done anything wrong.This was a very common thing. People were tripping over their civility erections to shout from the mountains about how we should "give [the grab em by the pussy guy] a chance". It was not exclusive to right wing circles.