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A Critique of Red Letter Media’s Bigoted Content (See Staff Post)
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I don't think RLM is right wing, but they are definitely not progressive either. For example, I do think they are downplaying the misogyny that happened in the reactions to Ghostbusters 3, but they did make some good points that it was likely exacerbated by Sony as they were looking for a way to help market the film since most did not consider it to be very good.
Similarly, in the Star Wars, I do agree they downplay the importance of diversity, but also point out that Disney/Lucasfilm is kind of full of shit, and only pushing diversity because they think it helps market the movie better. They do this by openly questioning why every single director has been white males despite them constantly harping on diversity.
I don't know how anyone can defend Rich Evans though.
Similarly, in the Star Wars, I do agree they downplay the importance of diversity, but also point out that Disney/Lucasfilm is kind of full of shit, and only pushing diversity because they think it helps market the movie better. They do this by openly questioning why every single director has been white males despite them constantly harping on diversity.
I don't know how anyone can defend Rich Evans though.
I'll have to watch it again, but in recalling the content that video, I don't think I can agree that the point was that "sexism is fake news," much less racism which they don't even mention. It's been awhile since I watched anything of theirs, but I would also be deeply surprised if they said "x group doesn't need representation," in fact I've heard them say diversity is a good thing, praise Daisy Ridley, mock man babies. Got a clip?
To be honest the only reason I'm sort of defending Rich here is that I'm still so annoyed about how many white dudes of multiple political affiliations said shit just like that around that time, and I don't want it to be dismissed as a right wing thing when it was a white man thing.
I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever agree to any idea that "You should not be allowed to talk about X or Y on this forum". If the mods decide that I'll follow the rules, but I personally think its insane to say certain ideas or people are to never be discussed. If the people are unpopular then discussion will just die naturally.
To me it just exposes the weakness of some peoples beliefs, when they are angry that something they dislike is not hated by everyone else and they feel their only recourse is to ban all discussion of that idea or topic.
To me it just exposes the weakness of some peoples beliefs, when they are angry that something they dislike is not hated by everyone else and they feel their only recourse is to ban all discussion of that idea or topic.
Just pointing out that this is not actual centrism, just right wing bullshit.
How people didn't realize this with the creepy rape subplot in the prequel reviews is astounding. They should be a banned source from here tbh.
Yeah, this is something they do fairly consistently and they never take five sections to realize minorities might want popcorn heroes too. TFA review was the first time I noticed it and it just continued in that vein whenever they could mention it in similar videos even when it had very little to do with the movie itself.
They'll occasionally pay lip-service, but it's pretty clear they stand on the side of "Don't draw a huge amount of attention to the fact that you're X".
I give loads of people a pass for having shitty views if they show a willingness over time to better themselves, cos at some point I believe everyone was probably a worse version of themselves than they are now, but the stuff in the op shows a bit of a trend and it's not in the right direction.
Guess I'm done with ever clicking s rlm link.
Guess I'm done with ever clicking s rlm link.
Is there a new definition for "boomers" that I'm not aware of? The youngest baby boomers are 55 years old. I don't think any of the RLM people are even 40
It's not a centrism thing imo it's a civility/white man thing. Political ideology doesn't play into it as much because like I said it wasn't relagated to one polical side.
They're a bunch of slobs. What did it for me is when one of them tried to imitate some other language and it just came across as so racist but they all laughed.
I don't like people like that.
I don't like people like that.
It's either this forum's version of "that's so fetch" or we have some seriously confused members.
I'm not endorsing his viewpoint, but this was immediately after the election. Have you just forgotten that everybody and their mother was tripping over themselves to argue that 'checks and balances' would keep Trump from fucking anything up too badly and that the Dems should take a close look at how they lost the election? That was pretty much ground zero for moderate rhetoric in 2016.
You don't have to like RLM, but it's disingenuous to suggest that they're a bastion of Trump supporters. They're cynics. That's their schtick. They step over the line on occasion and, frankly, have been doing it more often than usual lately.
I'm not saying they're all Trumpers. I'm saying Rich's rhetoric is bashing one side and defending the other. That's not centrism.
If you don't understand the right context, then you are probably a boomer.
I don't know how centrism came into the conversation and I don't think the definition of it isn't particularly important to this discussion.
oh yeah well you're a member of the silent generation
maybe degeneration x
What's the goal of the thread? legit question. Because I don't like this side of RLM but I don't think they're anywhere near as bad as people de-platformed by the site.
User Banned (Permanent): Dismissing concerns surrounding transphobia; Prior severe bans related to bigotry.
I watch Half in the Bag regularly and I haven't caught much of that except for the Godzilla gender joke.
And that joke is not bad enough to not watch these people again.
They've reviewed the film Pink Flamingos and have been very respectful of the transgender character in that film.
Aside from the Plinkett PT review I don't understand how these guys got popular. Their reviews lick asscrack. There is no nuanced movie discussion - they just bitch endlessly. I never got their popularity here or on GAF.
It's also a poor comparison point, because they more closely align with the nihilistic slacker "fuck you if you care about something" tones of Gen-X more than anything else.
User banned (3 days): dismissive drive-by
They've said some dumb shit but you're acting like they're FOX news or something. They're not trying to force feed an agenda. They're schtick is cynical pretentious assholes and for the most part it works.
Sooner or later this place will have nothing to talk about with all these bans.
Sooner or later this place will have nothing to talk about with all these bans.
There's a difference between "topic is not to be discussed" vs. refusing to promote and provide a platform for some assholes who we can afford to ignore.
It's not like posters who mentioned the name 'Grace Randolph' are being dragged away, but we sure as hell don't need to promote her content, let alone harbor a dedicated community for her.
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Cynicism with minimal thought and content behind it is popular online.
There's literally people in this thread demanding that RLM be banned from being discussed here.
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- While it is correct to note that Plinkett is a satirical character, it is not difficult to tell what messages Plinkett videos are trying to sincerely convey. As noted in the OP, some of these messages are problematic and should not be handwaved just because Plinkett is a character.
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- Do not attack members simply for consuming or enjoying Red Letter Media content.
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This is incredibly disappointing considering they show a lot of the same red flags as other already banned sources on Era
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So they were needlessly cynical in a pre emptive fashion that resulted in a useless meme that has replaced discourse with a gif that isn't accurate.
No, he stopped the series because he was already finding work elsewhere but mainly because he just felt like it was the right time to do so. He did his "final essay" in text form.
I know it's just been addressed by JayC3. But i wanted to post this before the lock. So i need to get it off my chest. (If nobody minds)
I want to make it crystal clear, that i'm not a free-speech absolutist. But I don't believe RLM (or any other topic) should be banned on this site.
I want to make it crystal clear, that i'm not a free-speech absolutist. But I don't believe RLM (or any other topic) should be banned on this site.
Good.
Explaining the same thing constantly for 20 years is tiring. That seems obvious.
User banned (permanent): Dismissive to bigotry and history of similar infractions
They're not particularly partisan so I don't care very much
None of the things they say really hew towards a framework of belief that is axiomatically right wing or bigoted
None of the things they say really hew towards a framework of belief that is axiomatically right wing or bigoted
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Strong disagree. We don't need to give platforms to people like Sargon, Colin Moriarty, Grace Randolph, Keemstar etc
If you're in a conversation telling someone to go watch stuff almost as long as the initial thing is pretty not conducive to a successful discourse