It is, with all due respect.
The difference is, that they don't budge to those requests and do whatever they want.
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A Difficult Subject (The Jimquisition)
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It is, with all due respect.
The difference is, that they don't budge to those requests and do whatever they want.
They have been and remain just that: requests.
I see no issue with people making requests, or From choosing to disregard them.
To each his or her own I guess, I can breeze through Sekiro but I never finished any DS. I find Sekiro's mechanics easier to grasp.
In practice there's not much difference between soft power and hard power
The unique style of environmental storytelling, the striking art style, the breathtaking monster and boss designs, the intricate world-building? The fact that you think the difficulty is the ONLY unique thing about From games is truly sad and frankly an insult to the developers who worked hard on those games as it sells them short.
I think From could do it without it "infecting" anything.
Never said anything remotely like that, please do try to practice your reading comprehension in the future. There's nothing wrong with hard games, but I do have a problem with elitist assholes that think ALL games should be made ONLY for them and nobody else.
Everything you just stated exists in other games though? Lol at that line about it being frankly sad etc, jump on the hyperbole train some more. I mean at best 'unique style of environmental storytelling' but we've seen other games do that too XD
Fromsofts Souls game didn't break out because of anything you just mentioned without the design decisions made that facilitates the difficulty. Which btw the world design and tone echoes.
Try again my friend.
I'm not sure but I don't think anyone in this thread has said that though? Isn't that simply the other side of 'all games should be playable for everyone'?
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Well you're not psychic, you don't know with 100% certainty that they never ever will put one in any of their future games(or current ones).
Also in the future please try to practice at least some form of reading comprehension before blindly getting overly defensive, because at no point did I say anything about all Souls fans being assholes, just a vocal minority of gamers who act liked spoiled brats who can't handle someone else getting more enjoyment out of a game by using cheats/mods or playing on a lower difficulty. So no i'm not "badmouthing" people just for enjoying Souls games, just for being gatekeeping assholes who don't want "normies" playing their precious games for fear that it will taint them(or some stupid bullshit like that) I think it's out of line for you to make disingenuous statements like that.
it shouldn't come as a surprise that an enthusiast gaming forum is full of elitist gatekeeping assholes. even some of the mods are complete shitheels on this topic.
Um no it does not, and there are other games which have the Souls style of difficulty, some of which I do enjoy like The Surge(primarily because I find sci-fi settings more interesting then fantasy ones).
Also maybe you should improve on your grammar before badmouthing other people, you know the saying, he who lives in a glass house should not throw stones yadda yadda.
You have ZERO proof that the difficulty was the only reason those games got popular, implying that is frankly a huge insult to the developers, who i'm sure are not happy about their games only getting boiled down to their difficulty and nothing else.
You're the only one I see spouting hyperbole here.
If someone forces you to do something, you can't decide to "not budge". You are being forced, after all.
If you decide not to do what others are telling would be better for your product, then you are simply not reacting to criticism or requests. It's silly to frame, even harsh, criticism as "forcing" the subjects of that criticism to do exactly what the article/post entails.
Whether it's the easiest game is your opinion, not a cold hard fact. For some people it's harder because of it's lack of flexibility in terms of allowing multiple play-styles like other From games.
Well for what it's worth I'm o on my phone atm so shrug.
I actually bring up how the associative elements of souls game feed into the game design but I can see that we're not going to get anywhere in talking with you. Have a good day. You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of the distinctions I'm drawing, I never said that difficulty was in fact the only sole element, rather it is the primarily distinguishing one. More people did 'souls like' games in atmosphere or content than they did in gameplay, prior to demons souls.
Bringing up grammar XD
RDR2 has cheats? I had no clue, I understand disabling achievements like the GTA games, but not allowing saving does seem like kind of a dick move.
i just realized that the title of the video is a double meaning
because not only is it a contentious subject that is difficult to have a conversation about, but the conversation itself is about difficulty modes in games
so the word difficult in the title has more than one meaning
because not only is it a contentious subject that is difficult to have a conversation about, but the conversation itself is about difficulty modes in games
so the word difficult in the title has more than one meaning
You're only bowing out because you don't want to admit that your argument is absolute nonsense, classic troll tactic. Never said anything about all games being playable for everyone, I see your reading comprehension has not improved much.
I'll just leave this here to prove how wrong you are:https://twitter.com/JimSterling/status/1118118699955888129
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....That comment wasn't addressed to you at all with what we were actively talking about in what you responded to...? You literally dodged my reply to reply to an older point... ok I guess?
But reguardless you're strawmanning since I never said that the only thing to enjoy is the difficulty
In fact I explicitly said that there are other things to enjoy in from games so uh. If you'd like to continue then actually respond to my prior post instead of going on a tangent response?
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Nah you're the one who's strawmanning here by boiling these games down only to difficulty and nothing else.
You're the only one going on a tangent here(nobody cares if you're posting from your phone or not), I did respond, you just had no real answer to my post other then "you're wrong cause I said so" which is not much of a response at all.
Also thought you said you were "bowing out", so much for that. Trolls like you can never stick to your guns, you always have to get in the last word.
Ok. Let's reset:
If you're down for actually continuing the conversation instead of insulting endlessly, I am down for that? Again I did not say that difficulty is the only reason that from games stood out and became successful, rather that the difficulty (through design) was the most prominent reason, and that most of if not all of the unique tangential elements of their games that people find appealing are in place to feed into the game design or when taken as discreet elements existed in other games prior to souls to a greater degree than souls brand of design difficulty.
If you look at reviews and threads from back in the day you can see how things like the atmosphere and world were lauded as complimentary to the gameplay approach.
I've even said that I'd be fine with a lower difficulty option if it's handled by other people, and the core designers do not concern themselves with it.
In deciding how Froms DESIGN should evolve, I don't believe that altering its signature beat is the path to take and am weary of the kind of seeping that would occur if the core team was actively including lowered difficulty options from the onset because of how that could effect design over time. I've also proposed a solution.
And one of my favourite PS2 games was Ribbit King, hardly a hardcore experience. I'm still curious as to how the mirror of 'all games should be made for everyone' isn't 'all games should be hard'.
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Great idea.
I'd also voucher for an Easy Auto option like the ones that debuted with *gasp* Devil May Cry *gasp* and have been part of Platinum's action games forever.
Hardcore games don't have to lack accessible options.
Well, can't really disagree with that.
And in the conversation surrounding these games practically no one is saying that. Especially here. Reading comprehension indeed.
And with that inclusion the relinquish any control over how it's used. Their suggestion is just that. The game is what they've built and will be used accordingly regardless of what they think the best experience is.
Again you're inventing things in your head that were not actually said by anyone.
Not insulting you, just calling it like I see it, as i've seen this exact argument from trolls on Reddit that only bring it up to argue in bad faith.
There's plenty of reviews that don't say that difficulty is the defining feature of those games, and for you to reduce them to that is reductive and frankly disrespectful to the devs.
You're the one that needs reading comprehension, people may not be saying that on here, but they are saying it on Reddit and on social media, you'd have to be willfully ignorant or blind to not see it on there.
It's actually kind of weird, but according to open critic, significantly less review outlets reviewed Sekiro when compared to other equally popular games like DMC5 and RE2. It's almost like there are publications out there that won't do a review because they don't like the difficulty and would fear the backlash. I've seen a few "I don't like Sekiro, but thats okay" or "Sekiro just isn't for me" and won't have a review score. Interesting.
You could be reading too much into it, Sekiro and Division 2 have the same amount of reviews and Division 2 was even released bit earlier. Division 2 is a huge blockbuster unlike Sekiro, even though Sekiro definitely has sold really well too. In MC Sekiro has 14 more reviews.
In these threads, you're either
1. an elitist gatekeeping asshole who hates disabled people
or
2. an entitled scrub who is too lazy/incompetent to learn how to play a game right
No good has come from these threads. Everyone has decided how they feel about the subject already and it just turns into people from both sides yelling at each other.
1. an elitist gatekeeping asshole who hates disabled people
or
2. an entitled scrub who is too lazy/incompetent to learn how to play a game right
No good has come from these threads. Everyone has decided how they feel about the subject already and it just turns into people from both sides yelling at each other.
I specifically say that difficulty is the most prominent not the defining feature. The fact that games without FROMS signature approach to Asthetic are considered Soulsborns copies where as others are not is proof enough of this concept. Basically the formula for from is to have difficulty in the raw knobs and balance, and to use an overall slower pace to combat in an open world that does not so readily hold the players hand all culminating in a specific kind of difficulty. That doesn't mean that the sheer challenge is the only appreciative element, but you can have a lovecraftian style FP investigation game that is not considers a Soulsbourn genre game where as Surge or whatnot is considered that. Simply having a soulsbourn like asthetic, world building, or an open world does not a soulsborn make.Or at least to a lesser degree than the elements you cited prior, which is exactly the point i was making earlier when I pointed out that the things you cited are in fact quite interchangeable in comparison.
What do you want from this conversation aside to be angry and to invent fictional foes to fight that proclaim every game must be hard.
I completely agree.
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Hey sorry to bring up this conversation again, but i thought this exchange in the Sekiro OT was pretty interesting
It would be a damn shame to miss these games over something that's been addressed
Yep, I'm fine with people using mods/trainers since they have no baring on the direction or balancing of the game in development. Hopefully other people realize this too.
you're the only one inventing things here. Also not angry, just tired of you misrepresenting what Jim actually said.
I don't misunderstand what Jim said. Nor have I misrepresented him. If you have an actual point, state it, or failing that — respond to points made. This isn't high school and no one thinks that you're coolfor acting this way.
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this ain't pre-school kid, seems like you're the only one trying act cool here. I don't care.