A friendly reminder: check your credit (FICO) score often, build it while young

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Disclaimer: This is mostly for US Era as I have no earthly clue how credit works outside of the US.

Credit score means a great deal for the average consumer. It affects the interest rates one may be offered in any lending situation. It may make the difference between a lender giving you the time of day or simply turning you away. And it is important to insure one has a strong credit score from a young age. So I thought I'd make a thread so people could share their input and experiences and hopefully dissuade that 20-something Era member that might be thinking about financing a $80k Land Rover while earning less than an ideal salary.

Resources:
  • Free FICO score from Discover (so long as you let them sell your info): https://www.creditscorecard.com/
  • Credit Karma, for seeing a complete view of your credit and challenging items easily and quickly. You can also see the lesser credit score companies that slimy people like car salesman use: www.creditkarma.com
  • For US citizens, you can get your actual credit score free of charge once a year here. I know, how nice of the government to let us see the score creditors arbitrarily make once a year. How nice of them: http://www.annualcreditreport.com/
How is credit weighed?:
  • Total accounts: 10% - There are installment accounts (like car loans or mortgages) and revolving accounts (credit cards). It has never been made truly clear by creditors what an acceptable amount of either is
  • Length of credit: 15% - The longer your history the better. It didn't seem to affect my score until about year 8-ish
  • Inquiries: 10% - When someone makes an inquiry about your FICO score. This happens often while trying to rent an apartment, check financing on a car, sign up for some retail credit card at a place like Macy's or Target. There is supposedly "soft" and "hard" inquiries but neither seemed to ever affect my credit. My friends in accounting tell me one thing, though: don't do it frequently. Four times MAX a year
  • Revolving Utilization: 30% - This is a big one. Keep your monthly credit utilization beneath 9% at all times if possible
  • Missed Payments: 35% - The killer. Basically, never miss a payment. If you do the credit companies will make you a pariah for years and your score will tumble

I learned this the hard way. Back when I was young I had an ex that took a credit card I forgot about and rang up over $5k of debt on it. That went unnoticed for years. Eventually that debt was sold to a cut throat debt collector and I had to settle for $4k out of pocket and my credit score fell to 650. I had no idea what a credit score even was at the time (this was 2012). To finance a car I had to sign special documents and had an absurd interest rate. Even though I earned over $90k and had no other debt.

So, I looked into credit scores and how one could build them. I got a credit card with a cash back reward and used it for everything, paying it off every week. No other debt, ever. Now in 2019:



(Note: 850 is the highest in the USA)

Creditors now literally offer me free things just for the privilege of me being maybe being their customer. I was offered a 1.9% loan from BMW the other day.

So young people, never miss a credit payment, open several accounts you'll never use, and ask for extensions every year even though you'll probably never use them.
 
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Cyanity

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Get a credit card, buy everything on it as you would normally, and pay it off constantly. Don't wait for bill due dates, just pay it off as you go. If you keep it up for a bit, your credit score will go up in no time.
 
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Get a credit card, buy everything on it as you would normally, and pay it off constantly. Don't wait for bill due dates, just pay it off as you go. If you keep it up for a bit, your credit score will go up in no time.
It's still not clear when credit consumption is tallied either. Sometimes the first of the month, sometimes the 3rd Sunday. Who knows? My advice is to pay it off every week.
 

Choppasmith

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Yeah I’m almost 36 and I have 0 credit. Whenever I try to apply for anything I get a response to the effect of “there’s nothing on file”. I know, I regret not doing anything sooner. I just joined a new Credit Union and once I get the 200$ bonus for signing up, I’m going to get a low limit credit card and slowly build up my credit so I can get a car. Better late than never.
 
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Yeah I’m almost 36 and I have 0 credit. Whenever I try to apply for anything I get a response to the effect of “there’s nothing on file”. I know, I regret not doing anything sooner. I just joined a new Credit Union and once I get the 200$ bonus for signing up, I’m going to get a low limit credit card and slowly build up my credit so I can get a car. Better late than never.
A credit union is a good place to start. Get any line of credit you can and pay it off every month. Should have a score within a year.
 

Puffy

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I'm in debt so my credit score is borked. I'm also clinically apathetic so imma ride it out and cross that bridge when I cross it
 

NekoNeko

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this whole building credit thing seems so dumb. glad i don't have to do any of this.
 

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I honestly don't understand the concept. Your ability to pay "now" is not directly related to your ability to pay in the past because there's always something that may happen that changes one's circumstances. Where I live if you want a loan or get a credit card there's always an assessment of your current ability to pay. Depending on amount the more thorough that assessment is.
 
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shaneo632

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I'm 31 and never had a credit card because I've never needed it. Considering getting one just for the rating. Last time I looked my credit was really good regardless, but I'm in UK so the system differs I think.
 

Herr Starr

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I honestly don't understand the concept. Your ability to pay "now" is not directly related to your ability to pay in the past because there's always something that may happen that changes one's circumstances. Where I live if you want a loan or get a credit card there's always an assessment of your current ability to pay. Depending on amount the more thorough that assessment is.
The way I see it, it's not really about your ability to pay right now. It's a racket to make you use credit as much as possible for as long as possible, punishing you for not being part of the system.

I'm glad I don't have to deal with any of this.
 

Prolepro

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Never had credit and dont feel very compelled to start anytime soon. If I ever need anything I just save up till I have enough.
 
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Wish I had known it sooner. Only got my first credit card a year ago. And just making the payments on time skyrockets the score.

Never had credit and dont feel very compelled to start anytime soon. If I ever need anything I just save up till I have enough.
Yeah but one day you may not have enough saved. Car, house etc.

You also miss out on cashback over the years.
 

Frunkle

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I honestly don't understand the concept. Your ability to pay "now" is not directly related to your ability to pay in the past because there's always something that may happen that changes one's circumstances. Where I live if you want a loan or get a credit card there's always an assessment of your current ability to pay. Depending on amount the more thorough that assessment is.
It's more to give the lender an idea of how reliable you are at making payments. Which is a good system; hypothetically, why should anyone give you money if you have a history of not being good for it?
 

zma1013

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I thought checking your credit score often would result in "hits" to your credit? Am I wrong thinking this?
 
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Solid OP with just a couple things that aren’t quite right.
  • annualcreditreport.com gets you the actual report from all 3 bureaus but not a score. Still just as valuable and still something I absolutely pull yearly
  • FICO is not the sole determining factor in creditworthiness. A lot of the larger lenders are going to proprietary risk calculations and things like debt-to-income are still very important
  • View Credit Karma et al in the same way you’d base home value from Zillow: you’re not going to get 100% accuracy but it’s a solid indicator of ballpark. CK won’t say 800 while a lender has 550 for instance. But 800 vs. 790? 780? 815? Sure
  • I know this is (or was, whatever) a gaming forum. As much as we’d like to boil everything down to an exact formula, it’s not as simple as do X for Y amount of time and you’ll get score Z. Rather, it’s just a pulse check to give a general idea
  • Contrary to popular belief, you won’t find new doors opening at 800+ than you would at the mid-700s. Rather, The value of a score that high is the buffer to keep those top-tier offers.

  • This is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to credit.
 

Biske

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I have nothing but resentment for a system where I'm forced to prove how worthy I am of helping companies fuck me into debt for their corporate gain. I have a great score I think last time I checked, but the whole system is dumb as hell and it relies on people going into debt. Banks don't make good money off of people who pay their bills.

The fact that we are all so eager to walk the line with them and not rioting, says it all.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I started last year at 27. Applied for a secured card with a $500 dollar limit, kept my utilization under 10% every billing period, and paid it off in full as soon as I got my statement. My score is around 770.

When should I start opening new accounts? How much of a hit will by score take?
 

shnurgleton

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I never check my credit score. I've never had a past due loan payment in my life. I regularly utilize credit cards and always pay them on time. I don't think I need to worry about it
 
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When I went through the homebuying process my lender at the time was kinda shocked to see my credit score relatively high considering my age group (25, 735)

Edit: I never really paid the credit system much though. Just made sense to me to rather pay all my bills on time from a financial balancing point of view. Also helped I saw firsthand with my mom the struggles she experienced when bills weren'tw paid on time, so I was never going to repeat going through those hassles.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Is this supposed to be good? Dealerships are regularly throwing out 0% deals all the time
0% deals are going to become a bit tougher as time goes on and honestly surprised they lasted this long.

Theories for 1.9% being their “best” offer is either it’s a pre-owned or BMW believes their status justifies a starting figure that “high”.

Again while I don’t trust the exact number for any of the CKs of the world, anything in OPs ballpark should qualify for a best available rate.
 

br0ken_shad0w

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The only thing a higher credit score got me was more junk mail about credit card offers and home equity loans. (aside from being easier to get approved for said loans)

Getting a good credit card is legit though. Assuming you pay it off monthly, the rewards you get are always better than what a debit card offers. It's why the credit card rewards thread is popular.
 

El_TigroX

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Good reminder OP... certainly good advice in there... and something everyone should consider.

And anyone that's young and working through the early part of adult life, don't pass this by and dismiss it because "I'll never have money anyway..." and other stuff - this is a foundational part of your financial health that will make your life potentially much easier.

I'm in the low 800s now, and the thing that I can tell that is holding me back is that i don't have enough debt - mortgage or car. I live in a city, I have no debt, and I rent a place... so banks still see me as a "risk" because of a lack of history on BIG items. I know I'll get there, but it's frustrating sometimes to hear the way to improvement is through more debt, when I manage debt well on a monthly basis and have only carried a balance once - when I was 22 and it was 3 months out of college and I needed to buy a computer.
 

suda51fanboy

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I didn't have a credit card until the beginning of last year but my student loans have counted as old accounts. Im lucky since I never missed a payment but even signing up for my phone plan they needed to look up my credit. It's insane what all's attached to it. Even applying to some jobs requires them to look
 

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If you're young, then I recommend opening up a credit card account, even if you're not going to use it. I'm going on 32 years old and have a good credit score, but I didn't get my first credit card until I was like 28 and the length of credit score is always marked as "bad" in bold red lettering whenever I check Mint's FICO estimate.

Don't be stupid about the credit card, though. If you do decide to use it, then make sure to pay off the balance each month. Don't leave a balance that accumulates interest. And don't get crazy with spending because you all of a sudden have access to all this credit.
 

Frunkle

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I have nothing but resentment for a system where I'm forced to prove how worthy I am of helping companies fuck me into debt for their corporate gain. I have a great score I think last time I checked, but the whole system is dumb as hell and it relies on people going into debt. Banks don't make good money off of people who pay their bills.

The fact that we are all so eager to walk the line with them and not rioting, says it all.
Lol what? Fuck the bank for penalizing people for not paying their bills? What kind of backwards thinking is this?
 

Biske

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Lol what? Fuck the bank for penalizing people for not paying their bills? What kind of backwards thinking is this?
Yeah, my point is they want this to happen. The goal is fees and extra charges stemming from going over the cliff. We pretend it's a system for us to try to be Honorable and get rewarded for it when it's a game to fuck us and then blame it on us being lazy or dishonest or thieves.

Then when they fuck up we pay them and make sure they can stay in business and fuck us more, no accountability for them
 

Wolfapo

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Do I understand this correctly, in case you are buying something, like for example a washing machine or any other more expensive thing, it's better to pay it on weekly/monthly rate than everything at once just to have a higher credit score?

If you pay everything right away, does it have any influence on the credit score?
 

Herr Starr

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Lol what? Fuck the bank for penalizing people for not paying their bills? What kind of backwards thinking is this?
You're the one who's got it backwards, I'm afraid, and judging from American responses in these threads, it seems yours is a common sentiment based on lack of exposure to alternatives.

I live in Norway. Banks are regulated so that they can't force me through the same BS that Americans have to go through. I don't need to have a credit card to prove I'm credit worthy (in fact, credit cards are considered debt over here and thus count negative, as they should). The only things that matter is that you have a regular, or at least reliable, income, little debt, and that you don't miss payments. It's not your job, as a customer, to prove your credit worthiness beyond that.

American banks have set up a racket (yes, I use that word deliberately) where they force you to expose yourself to risk and use their products even if you don't want or need to, just in case you might have a need of them in the future. Get enough people to do this, and the people who will fuck up, either by accident or because of other factors, will result in the thing paying off. For the banks, not for the customers.

This is why banks have regulations in most civilized countries.
 

Frunkle

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Yeah, my point is they want this to happen. The goal is fees and extra charges stemming from going over the cliff. We pretend it's a system for us to try to be Honorable and get rewarded for it when it's a game to fuck us and then blame it on us being lazy or dishonest or thieves.

Then when they fuck up we pay them and make sure they can stay in business and fuck us more, no accountability for them
...so when someone doesn't pay the bill that they agreed to, suddenly the bank is predatory? If you're talking loan sharks/no credit car dealerships sure, but for a standard bank you're not upholding your part of the bargain. They are damaged financially by you not paying, however little it is in the grand scheme of things. Banks aren't a charity, they're a business.
 

Shiloh

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One blemish (stupid electronic mistake on my part) and 4 more years of student loans, still +750 though.

Once I get passed 7 years of that mistake and these loans paid off I should be sitting rather high.
 

Frunkle

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You're the one who's got it backwards, I'm afraid, and judging from American responses in these threads, it seems yours is a common sentiment based on lack of exposure to alternatives.

I live in Norway. Banks are regulated so that they can't force me through the same BS that Americans have to go through. I don't need to have a credit card to prove I'm credit worthy (in fact, credit cards are considered debt over here and thus count negative, as they should). The only things that matter is that you have a regular, or at least reliable, income, little debt, and that you don't miss payments. It's not your job, as a customer, to prove your credit worthiness beyond that.

American banks have set up a racket (yes, I use that word deliberately) where they force you to expose yourself to risk and use their products even if you don't want or need to, just in case you might have a need of them in the future. Get enough people to do this, and the people who will fuck up, either by accident or because of other factors, will result in the thing paying off. For the banks, not for the customers.

This is why banks have regulations in most civilized countries.
But I've never had a credit card with a bank. I've had other bills and loans taken out, which I paid promptly. I can't believe that a bank penalizing you for breach of contract (not paying) is considered a racket.
 

Herr Starr

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But I've never had a credit card with a bank. I've had other bills and loans taken out, which I paid promptly. I can't believe that a bank penalizing you for breach of contract (not paying) is considered a racket.
You're missing the entire point here. It's not about missed payments. It's about being forced to use a product you don't need just because the banks have set up everything so that you can never get a good loan if you don't. It's basically "use our products, or else!"
 

Frunkle

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You're missing the entire point here. It's not about missed payments. It's about being forced to use a product you don't need just because the banks have set up everything so that you can never get a good loan if you don't. It's basically "use our products, or else!"
What product of theirs am I using? A loan? I've already said I don't have a CC with any bank (and credit is considered debt in the US as far as I know)
 

Biske

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...so when someone doesn't pay the bill that they agreed to, suddenly the bank is predatory? If you're talking loan sharks/no credit car dealerships sure, but for a standard bank you're not upholding your part of the bargain. They are damaged financially by you not paying, however little it is in the grand scheme of things. Banks aren't a charity, they're a business.
We have decades of predatory loans from Banks, things like the collapse of 2008 are just one example. Banks make peanuts off of people with no debt or balances. There is a reason if you pay off your cards and carry no debt Banks will start begging you to raise your limit, just gotta get you to overstep and start getting into those juicy fees and interest.

Paying what you agreed to is one thing, but a system built on screwing people and then blaming us morally for doing exactly what you intended, as those same tax payers guarantee and safety net all your fuckery, is what I have a problem with.

Just allows our governments to not do shit for us or provide the basics of human life and instead make us work like dogs and pinch pennies and crawl to these corrupt institutions.
 

LuigiMario

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Made a concious effort to build credit over the past year with my first job, have done 3 things.

1. Started paying on a student loan after graduating, kind of a no brainer but this has helped immensely.
2. Got my first credit card through my credit union. Basically just run groceries, gas, and reoccurring monthly subscriptions on it and pay it off instantly. Generally it's suggested to use one from a different place than your bank, but I haven't noticed much of a dink using my credit union and it makes transferring funds instant and easy.
3. Got a second line of credit at Best Buy through Citi. Not the best move (retail cards are predatory) but I needed a TV and it seemed like an easy way to build additional credit. Have been paying monthly all on time, this has also helped a ton.

Nothing crazy, and my credit went from below average to very good in just over a year.
 

Frunkle

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We have decades of predatory loans from Banks, things like the collapse of 2008 are just one example. Banks make peanuts off of people with no debt or balances. There is a reason if you pay off your cards and carry no debt Banks will start begging you to raise your limit, just gotta get you to overstep and start getting into those juicy fees and interest.

Paying what you agreed to is one thing, but a system built on screwing people and then blaming us morally for doing exactly what you intended, as those same tax payers guarantee and safety net all your fuckery, is what I have a problem with.

Just allows our governments to not do shit for us or provide the basics of human life and instead make us work like dogs and pinch pennies and crawl to these corrupt institutions.
Shit, I love having a high credit limit on my Nebraska Furniture Mart card, it keeps my utilization low. Giving people greater spending opportunity since they've done so well in the past is fine, it's on them if they overstep.

Banks are not parents, meant to watch and make sure we don't walk off a cliff financially.
 

Zerokoolpsx

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Oct 25, 2017
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I closed a couple of my credit cards in the past. Had I known it would lower my credit score, I would have kept them, but not use those cards. So right now, it shows my credit history being new around 2 years and a low number of accounts. I had those accounts for so long too. Credit Karma gives me a score of 784 to 791. Not having a credit card can actually hurt you. Higher apr on car loans or a mortgage. You gotta borrow "their money" and pay it back on time or else you get hit with late payments and your score starts tanking.

I would prefer using my own money, but then if I apply for a loan, I would get higher interest on those if I didn't start working on my credit.

won't checking your score often hurt it?
It won't do anything to your score if you're just checking it. If someone does a hard inquiry, it usually hurts your credit.