By. The. Fucking. Villain.
It's baffling that people keep taking Kylo's words at face value.
Seriously. You can tell people in this thread either haven't watched the video in the OP (the video this thread is about), or they were just sound asleep during it.
Yeah...and the movie goes to extraordinary lengths to point out that killing the past is BAD and learning from the past is GOOD. The arcs of all of our characters are in service of that message.
That's where I fall.
Did you also not realize that Luke only said this in the midst of his worst moments? That his final words in the movie were "And I will not be the Last Jedi!" spoken triumphantly?
You implied that the only character that talked about letting the past go was the main antagonist. I pointed out that this wasn't the case.
This kind of arguments I never understand, what messes is creating and cleaning up? Like I have no idea what your talking about.
Sums up my thoughts exactly. These threads are always full of people talking down to anyone who doesn't like it, and implying only people who agree with them are allowed to discuss the subject. "There's an ignore thread function" etc..
I can't really argue, because you're right that those things are subjective. I liked all of it, and I liked seeing a different aspect of the Star Wars universe that's not grinding poverty or military. If that stuff didn't land for you, I won't try to fault you for it.
No, I didn't. I implied that it was the philosophy that the character concluded with, which is framed as wrong.
Yeah, most of the serious criticism I've seen is with the tone of that section, and your point is a valid one. For myself, I like the (and here's where I have to use a word that people annoyingly wield as a cudgel) subversion of taking what was proposed as a wacky caper on a casino planet and using it to remind people that there's other kinds of evil besides blowing up planets. If it comes off too dissonant to you, I can't really argue.
She could've been ruthless in her pursuit. Instead...
I so wish we got a more compelling and meaningful conflict between her and Finn in TLJ. Not even counting the alternate cut fight between them which still wouldn't have been much better. Something beyond a physical altercation. Making all of the primary FO characters look like clowns is fun to a degree, but some of them need to be actually capable and pose a serious threat to our heroes. TFA was not great with their use of her at all but TLJ really wasted the opportunity to salvage that.
She could've been ruthless in her pursuit. Instead...
I literally cannot remember anything about the time before the prequel trilogies since I didn't even watch the OT's until after the PT's, but my understanding is that people mostly didn't care. And just to be clear, even with the prequels...we still don't actually know anything about his character. Mostly what we learned was how stupid his plan was and how stupid the Jedi had to be to fall for it....
Its really, really not. Its fucking prequel tier levels of awful.
Yep the video makes a lot of weak points that seem stronger than they really are.
I don't predicate my feelings on something on whether masses enjoy something and even if I did its a bit tenuous to suggest people loved the PTs
He is also a villain that ROTJ and the prequels committed to, not snuffed as a way of saying he was irrelevant, as was the case with Snoke. If any thing Sheev being in Rise of Skywalker cements the series' dedication to him as an important character. Simply comparing characters from OT to ST doesn't say much.
People say that, but honestly, I have yet to hear an actual coherent argument as to why. I get that people dislike the tone shift, but that alone doesn't really explain this level of vitriol. Maybe the simplistic messaging as well. The prequels were exercises in character assassination, unconvincing and bad acting, bad cgi trying to compensate for dull cinematography, and characters making dumb decisions.
You don't. All of the things in the video are immediately obvious upon watching the movie if you're familiar with Star Wars, its themes and its characters. The video is a response to all the angry people, taking apart their criticisms and showing why they're wrong. This video agrees with how I felt walking out of the theater.
She could've been ruthless in her pursuit. Instead...
Theres a lot of reasons.
See, I just dont agree, I think it all weaves together beautifully. The failure of the mission and then subsequent actions by Finn and Rose ties into the themes of learning from past mistakes. DJ trying to convince Finn that nothing matters and he should look out for himself is echoed in Kylo Ren trying to convince Rey that she should abandon a lonely moralistic cause for an emotional connection with him. The anti-capitalist stuff and the slave kids is a bit heavy handed, but I think it all ties in beautifully with the revelation that Rey isn't somebody's niece or clone (please, God, dont retcon that, JJ) and how *anyone* can be important, not just this one family. It's a little silly at times, but that doesn't bother me.
It isn't that Snoke dies that makes the point for me. It's that he dies with little in the way of explaining what his actual goal was. They never made it apparent that his aim was to be Palpatine 2.0. So of course there can be no real response to my misgivings - it's why I don't believe the video's criticism of people's discontent with Snoke is valid. It misses why people felt Snoke was mishandled.
