A Joe Rogan clip featuring Peter Attia and why obese people simply can't lose weight.

BackLogJoe · Apr 25, 2018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiQevGDPgRY

When I was a kid, obese people were treated like deviants who had poor judgement and were lazy. Instead of a health problem, it was a character problem. Its interesting as more research is done, that this is proven false, but unfortunate as the damage is done to obese people and their mindset. I know obese people who simply wont go to the Dr. because they are embarrassed. Instead of seeking professional help, they will just go to the store and eat "healthy" TV dinners and basically self medicate. Its the same as if you or I broke our leg and we just decided to not go to seek treatment because tying a 2x4 to our leg would be sufficient.

This brief description that Attia gives is a really good explanation on the differences between people who arent obese and the ones who are.

Mimosa97 · Apr 25, 2018

How do you explain that severely obese people didn't even exist in Western Europe until American fast food and processed foods rich in sugar and fat were introduced?

I can honestly say that the first time I've ever seen an obese people was when I visited America with my parents in 1995. We had a massive culture shock even though we knew what to expect.

I think once you become fat then yeah your metabolism is so fucked that it becomes way harder to lose the weight than for a non-obese person. Also some people are more genetically predisposed to becoming obese. But again if the food industry hadn't become so harmful to our health we wouldn't have the same problem with obesity.

Any country that lets itself be invaded by the american fast food industry saw its citizen become way fatter than ever before.

BackLogJoe · Apr 25, 2018

Mimosa97 said:
How do you explain that severely obese people didn't even exist in Western Europe until American fast food and processed foods rich in sugar and fat were introduced?

I can honestly say that the first time I've ever seen an obese people was when I visited America with my parents in 1995. We had a massive culture shock even though we knew what to expect.

I think once you become fat then yeah your metabolism is so fucked that it becomes way harder to lose the weight than for a non-obese person. Also some people are more genetically predisposed to becoming obese. But again if the food industry hadn't become so harmful to our health we wouldn't have the same problem with obesity.

Any country that lets itself be invaded by the american fast food industry saw its citizen become way fatter than ever before.

Im not sure you understood the video. He wasnt explaining the process that led them there. He explained the difference between a non-obese person and an obese person in regards to nutrient usage and hormones.

Ziltoidia 9 · Apr 25, 2018

They didn't exist before hand? No probably just didn't have as many.

Also if stress plays a big role in not being able to lose fat, it would make sense because society is becoming more stressed.

Mimosa97 · Apr 25, 2018

BackLogJoe said:
Im not sure you understood the video. He wasnt explaining the process that led them there. He explained the difference between a non-obese person and an obese person in regards to nutrient usage and hormones.

Yeah it's like suddenly these obese people appeared out of nowhere and now they can't shed the weight because their metabolism is different. He's dropping a lot of truth but he never explains how we ended up here. How do you explain that the american population was very thin on average just 60 years ago and obese people were outliers, almost impossible to find among working/middle class people? How do you explain that a country like Qatar is experience an epidemy of obesity now that they've allowed american fast food to take over their food industry? Why weren't they obese before?

BackLogJoe · Apr 25, 2018

Mimosa97 said:
Yeah it's like suddenly these obese people appeared out of nowhere and now they can't shed the weight because their metabolism is different. He's dropping a lot of truth but he never explains how we ended up here. How do you explain that the american population was very thin on average just 60 years ago and obese people were outliers, almost impossible to find among working/middle class people? How do you explain that a country like Qatar is experience an epidemy of obesity now that they've allowed american fast food to take over their food industry? Why weren't they obese before?

Hmmm. I dont know. Maybe theres a video on how obesity starts. This clip is about people who are already obese.

exMage · Apr 25, 2018

The metabolic stuff and how your body functions is also the reason why so many people end up gaining their weight back from what I've read. When you lose so much weight/fat in succession, something will happen that leads to your appetite growing as your body wants you to get back to that old 'normal' to function the way it was before, or something similar.
It's all very interesting and Incredibly frustrating learning about, especially as someone who has hit a brick wall after dropping nearly 70lbs.

Mimosa97 · Apr 25, 2018

BackLogJoe said:
Hmmm. I dont know. Maybe theres a video on how obesity starts. This clip is about people who are already obese.

He's only answering half of the question and not talking about the source of the problem.

Ziltoidia 9 · Apr 25, 2018

Magwik said:
The metabolic stuff and how your body functions is also the reason why so many people end up gaining their weight back from what I've read. When you lose so much weight/fat in succession, something will happen that leads to your appetite growing as your body wants you to get back to that old 'normal' to function the way it was before, or something similar.
It's all very interesting and Incredibly frustrating learning about, especially as someone who has hit a brick wall after dropping nearly 70lbs.

Keep at it, add in some more water throughout the day and measure yourself. I've continued to lose inches while only lost about 5 pounds the past few months.

BLEEN · Apr 25, 2018

Best takeaway from the vid I got is: First and foremost, if you really can't reduce your caloric-intake, cut the carbs as much as possible.

The stress/hormones thing he's talking about makes sense in theory as well. I'll have to look into that. It's been a while since I've done research on this stuff. About to start biking much more thanks to the weather so gonna sit down and study later tonight.

Etrian Oddity · Apr 25, 2018

The whole stress thing makes me wonder, though. Because I mean, this is objectively the cushiest time for a human being to live, when you look across history like the dark ages and stuff. I guess we have medicine to extend our lives in relation to the stress...?

molnizzle · Apr 25, 2018

Mimosa97 said:
He's only answering half of the question and not talking about the source of the problem.

What is your point here? That obesity is in fact a character flaw?

We can't pray the fast food away. It's everywhere now. What good does bitching about fast food do?

Ogre · Apr 25, 2018

Obesity is complex, but many of the factors that lead to the rise of it include:

1.) Workers shifting to less physically intensive service industry type jobs

2.) Food becoming plentiful and cheap

3.) Air conditioning

4.) Recreational pastimes becoming more and more indoor/sedentary

Mimosa97 · Apr 25, 2018

molnizzle said:
What is your point here? That obesity is in fact a character flaw?

We can't pray the fast food away. It's everywhere now. What good does bitching about fast food do?

Read my earlier posts. It's not a character flaw. As long as we don't fight the fast food industry and set very strict standards on highly processed foods then we won't win this battle.

Ogre · Apr 25, 2018

Mimosa97 said:
Read my earlier posts. It's not a character flaw. As long as we don't fight the fast food industry and set very strict standards on highly processed foods then we won't win this battle.

Or you could end the sugar and corn subsidies and solve your issue right there.

Earthstrike · Apr 25, 2018

BackLogJoe said:
Im not sure you understood the video. He wasnt explaining the process that led them there. He explained the difference between a non-obese person and an obese person in regards to nutrient usage and hormones.

Right, but he did that in the context of america. In pre fast food kuwait, I would imagine the metabolic differences are still present, but the actual shape of the people is not. Therefore obesity is a two condition process. 1. Input 2. metabolism. Both conditions have to be checked off as true. What else would explain a country such as kuwait having an explosion in obesity when american fast food gets introduced?

Deleted member 3058 · Apr 25, 2018

Mimosa97 said:
Read my earlier posts. It's not a character flaw. As long as we don't fight the fast food industry and set very strict standards on highly processed foods then we won't win this battle.

I read your earlier posts. Every single post of yours is complaining that the video didn't cover something that wasn't in the scope of the video instead of talking about what the video is actually about (which you brush aside in a single post).

Did I miss a post that wasn't about this derail?

Landy828 · Apr 25, 2018

I'm not stressed, but being overweight is apparently embedded in my family's genes.

Don't eat much, and even when I worked out 5 days a week I was the "fattest" on my soccer team as a teen. Played for 14 years (also played American football). I was still 180lbs at 5'4" in highschool...hitting the gym every day.

Now I'm 240lb...on a "good" diet. It sucks.

TheBryanJZX90 · Apr 25, 2018

molnizzle said:
What is your point here? That obesity is in fact a character flaw?

We can't pray the fast food away. It's everywhere now. What good does bitching about fast food do?

I think a good takeaway is that if becoming obese through eating too much fast food is an extremely hard process to reverse and unlikely to be successful, that makes it even more important to eat right and avoid becoming obese in the first place.

FireSafetyBear · Apr 25, 2018

I topped 400 and I’m down 295.

It’s harder than ever before to lose weight. Shit sucks.

Out of my brother, Mom, Dad, I’m the tallest and only fat one.

jontin · Apr 25, 2018

My mother spent most of her adult life obese due to over eating, eventually topping out at 280lbs on a 5'1 frame. I followed suit growing up, hitting 240lbs at 5'8. I managed to get down to 140 thanks to diet and exercise. She had stomach reduction surgery around 5 years ago, and is now settled at around 100lbs (at 58 years old, with rheumatoid arthritis). Her stomach has slowly stretched back out, but thanks to her research during the process regarding high protein/low carb, and counting calories, she hasn't fallen back into her old eating habits. Unless someone has been medically diagnosed as having a severely slowed metabolism, I sincerely believe that nutrition education and a basic understanding of TDEE and basal metabolic rate is the main cause of obesity in the US.

cervanky · Apr 25, 2018

Interesting video. Interesting point around the end, saying that between two people with the same diets and exercise regimen, one might gain more weight because they're stressed. Stigmatization and fat-shaming, associating it with a character flaw, would no doubt exacerbate the issue by making the person more stressed, which is pretty awful.

Mimosa97 · Apr 25, 2018

Gattsu25 said:
I read your earlier posts. Every single post of yours is complaining that the video didn't cover something that wasn't in the scope of the video instead of talking about what the video is actually about (which you brush aside in a single post).

Did I miss a post that wasn't about this derail?

I just don't like it when people don't go back to the source of the problem. It's like the obesity epidemic came out of nowhere. Our great-grandparents had the same metabolisms and they didn't become obese. Also I've never said it was a character flaw. I only talked about fast food and highly processed food being the source of the problem (and yeah more sedentary lifestyle to a lesser extent). You can see it all over the World. It started in the US and then it spread following the same timeline as the american fast food industry's worldwide expansion. How do you explain that? It's pretty obvious.

Kahoots · Apr 25, 2018

Ogre said:
Obesity is complex, but many of the factors that lead to the rise of it include:
3.) Air conditioning

How does air-conditioning lead to obesity?

Lightus · Apr 25, 2018

Mimosa97 said:
I just don't like it when people don't go back to the source of the problem. It's like the obesity epidemic came out of nowhere. Our great-grandparents had the same metabolisms and they didn't become obese. Also I've never said it was a character flaw. I only talked about fast food and highly processed food being the source of the problem (and yeah more sedentary lifestyle to a lesser extent). You can see it all over the World. It started in the US and then it spread following the same timeline as the american fast food industry's worldwide expansion. How do you explain that? It's pretty obvious.

If it's so obvious you don't have to keep repeating it over and over in this thread.

Thanks for the video OP I'll have to check it out.

Thorn · Apr 25, 2018

I tried to diet and just gave up.

I can't put in the time to do so, and meals are just too small or unappetizing. Nothing tastes good and you just want to die.

ShortNasty · Apr 25, 2018

Yo, is there a transcript? Watching the playoffs right now.

Thorn said:
I tried to diet and just gave up.

I can't put in the time to do so, and meals are just too small or unappetizing. Nothing tastes good and you just want to die.

Meh. Treat it like Dark Souls. Pick the controller back up, and try again.

Ogre · Apr 25, 2018

Kahoots said:
How does air-conditioning lead to obesity?

It’s a correlative association. There is some research that deals with thermoregulation and comfortable air temperature promoting less energy expenditure, but I find that less convincing than changing lifestyle trends. Air conditioning helped shift lifestyles, especially in the South. You suddenly have the ability to stay indoors during the summer. Not only that, but it’s preferrable.

But honestly, I included air conditioning as a factor because it’s something interesting to think about.

The biggest primary factor has to do with the abundance of calorie dense foods that are easily available. The modern food supply chain is extremely impressive, but very skewed towards certain industries due to policy changes over the years.

Thorn · Apr 25, 2018

ShortNasty said:
Yo, is there a transcript? Watching the playoffs right now.

Meh. Treat it like Dark Souls. Pick the controller back up, and try again.

I need a White Sign Summon to help. I am the type of person who needs an expert to shove the correct food in my face.

AcademicSaucer · Apr 25, 2018

BackLogJoe said:
Hmmm. I dont know. Maybe theres a video on how obesity starts. This clip is about people who are already obese.

But the poor judgement stereotype also comes from how someone ends up obese.

Chirotera · Apr 25, 2018

As someone that's way overweight the only thing that really bugs me is when skinny people try to offer advice on how to lose it. If it were as easy as they think, it wouldn't be a problem.

I'm on a steady diet now that sheds a pound or two per week, and even that can be rough. Especially when it plateaus for 3-4 weeks.

olubode · Apr 25, 2018

Kahoots said:
How does air-conditioning lead to obesity?

Allows for a for people to stay inside and do less physical activity to keep cool. As opposed to maybe going to a pool or some other activity to cool off.

ShortNasty · Apr 25, 2018

Thorn said:
I need a White Sign Summon to help. I am the type of person who needs an expert to shove the correct food in my face.

I’m not a professional, but:

1- If you have health insurance, see what they offer in the form of nutritionists.

2 - if you have money, order from one of those meal planning services.

3 - Go vegetarian/vegan, and try to become a bodybuilder. Maybe you won’t get there. Maybe you will.

JeTmAn · Apr 25, 2018

ShortNasty said:
Yo, is there a transcript? Watching the playoffs right now.

Meh. Treat it like Dark Souls. Pick the controller back up, and try again.

I always give up for a while when I get frustrated with a Souls game. Don't really want to do that with dieting.

I think it is key to make sure you're still eating something that tastes decent. It should be possible to put the right herbs and spices into healthy food to give them a pleasing flavor. It may take time to adjust from a high-salt, high-sugar diet, but it shouldn't all taste like cardboard either.

ahoyhoy · Apr 25, 2018

ve noticed lots of obese people actually don't eat a lot but their bodies just seem to store it all up. It's definitely something hardwired into your metabolism that's hard to undo.

ShortNasty · Apr 25, 2018

JeTmAn said:
I always give up for a while when I get frustrated with a Souls game. Don't really want to do that with dieting.

I think it is key to make sure you're still eating something that tastes decent. It should be possible to put the right herbs and spices into healthy food to give them a pleasing flavor. It may take time to adjust from a high-salt, high-sugar diet, but it shouldn't all taste like cardboard either.

I actually hate the games myself, but i felt it may have helped my cause a bit.

For me, not that I was obese, but going the opposite way worked out better. Everything tastes like trash. Eating is a chore. For know, thats okay. Eventually, I'm gonna have to take your advice and start crafting some tasty shit again.

Bramblebutt · Apr 25, 2018

I'm a 6ft adult male who eats 1500-2000 kcal a day and struggles to maintain 190lbs after losing 100+ pounds over the past two years. I'm hungry all the time.

Overcoming obesity feels like being a recovering alcoholic.

SapientWolf · Apr 25, 2018

BackLogJoe said:
Im not sure you understood the video. He wasnt explaining the process that led them there. He explained the difference between a non-obese person and an obese person in regards to nutrient usage and hormones.

Mimosa97 said:
He's only answering half of the question and not talking about the source of the problem.

He mentions that genetics, diet and exercise all likely play a role in impaired nutrient partitioning and hormone imbalances.

The main focus are the biological consequences of being in the state where your fat metabolism is damaged. It's a deep hole to dig yourself out of but the good news is that there are very few medical conditions that make obesity an inevitability.

TyrantII · Apr 25, 2018

Ziltoidia 9 said:
They didn't exist before hand? No probably just didn't have as many.

President Taft was considered horribly obese back in the day. Go to any HS sporting event and more than half the men and women are larger than he was.

Honestly, it's sugar. Just one example 99.5% of all the bread choices in the 300 foot bread isle of an American supermarket are "Sweet Bread". Each slice has between 2-4 sugar cubes.

That's fucking obscene. Just trying to find a loaf of bread without added sugar is impossible unless you go to a bakery or bake your own. Bread only needs a few spoons of sugar to activate the yeast, but they're dumping cups of the stuff into each loaf.

Deleted member 21326 · Apr 25, 2018

Isent the major factor for
obesity in America, the fact that healthy food is actually more expensive. Thus you have lots of families who cant afford to eat they way they actually should?

hexanaut · Apr 25, 2018

Ugh, that Vice video about Kuwait is tragic. Sugar is the worst poison in the modern diet.

I highly recommend looking up the work done by Dr. Robert Lustig.

Vas · Apr 25, 2018

I felt great when I cut out carbs from my diet. it's hard to maintain that lifestyle, though. Carbs are readily available and cheap.

-Pyromaniac- · Apr 25, 2018

Chirotera said:
As someone that's way overweight the only thing that really bugs me is when skinny people try to offer advice on how to lose it. If it were as easy as they think, it wouldn't be a problem.

I'm on a steady diet now that sheds a pound or two per week, and even that can be rough. Especially when it plateaus for 3-4 weeks.

It’s the same with most mental health issues. Not that obesity is one, but they sometimes go hand Ain hand. Usually the advice can end up doing more damage. As someone that has suffered from depression for years. Often times you’d get the oh you should do this and that as if you didn’t know it already. And the fact that you know it and it’s still a problem just makes the stress and mental situation worse. And that’s when the hole gets deeper and deeper.

Shits crazy. Stay up bros. And sis’s. I always feel for overweight people that can’t cut it. I’ve been around that and I feel like I get it enough to not judge. Just be there how I can in a non obtrusive non condescending constructive way when asked.

Sherbert · Apr 26, 2018

ahoyhoy said:
ve noticed lots of obese people actually don't eat a lot but their bodies just seem to store it all up. It's definitely something hardwired into your metabolism that's hard to undo.

This is nonsense.

The cause of obesity is simple - consistently eating more calories than your body needs.

jman2050 · Apr 26, 2018

Etrian Oddity said:
The whole stress thing makes me wonder, though. Because I mean, this is objectively the cushiest time for a human being to live, when you look across history like the dark ages and stuff. I guess we have medicine to extend our lives in relation to the stress...?

You couldn't overeat for stress when you barely had enough food to eat to live.

RedMercury · Apr 26, 2018

As far as going to the doctor, I mean from experience they just tell you not to eat as much and to exercise more. If you persist they can send you to a nutritionist who might give you a diet plan but I think most people know what is a healthy choice and what isn't, right? Plus they ain't paying for the ingredients to that meal plan, they ain't paying for a gym membership or child care so you can go work out or getting you a new job that isn't sedentary, there's only so much they can do, barring some underlying medical condition causing an individual's obesity all they can give is lip service

I feel for all my overweight buddies out there, I've quit heroin, cocaine, drinking, and smoking and quitting eating too much is the hardest struggle out of all those for me.

Ether_Snake · Apr 26, 2018

You can’t beat the laws of physics. Some metabolic aspect may play are partial role, but the majority if Americans are overweight, and due because of lifestyle choices and nutrition, period. Chinese people are getting fat for the same reasons.

Not saying it’s easy to turn a situation around, but it’s clear that for the vast majority of folks it’s diet first that needs to change. Carbs and sugar are addictive, cut at least the later out and cut down on the former.

I’ve seen very fat people at the gym and can’t imagine it was the right approach, you need to cut on the diet first. If you do both it’s even better. You need to keep yourself busy too, if you stay home doing nothing you’ll get depressed and eat.

UltimateHigh · Apr 26, 2018

jman2050 said:
You couldn't overeat for stress when you barely had enough food to eat to live.

Not to mention much of the cheapest, most immediately addictive foods are horrendous for your health. (in the U.S, at least). You pair that with a number of other issues, and you got a big problem.

Maneil99 · Apr 26, 2018

Bunch of BS
Calories in > Calories out
= Weight Gain

SK4TE · Apr 26, 2018

Anyone can lose weight, it’s just physics.

A Joe Rogan clip featuring Peter Attia and why obese people simply can't lose weight.

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