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A Prisoner Who Briefly Died Argues That He’s Served His Life Sentence

Jan 29, 2018
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It's a stupid argument by itself, but the fact that the hospital ignored his DNR and revived him so he could go back to prison seems cruel and unusual.
 

Seneset

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Oct 27, 2017
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If I'm on the operating table and my heart stops beating I'm dead right? Surely I'm dead if no one does anything. But if the medical staff intervene and restart my heart then we can agree I'm alive. IDK I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your sentiment (our nomenclature of death implies permanence) but it seems to me that you can be technically dead and then brought back to life in medical terms.
Isn't clinical death heartbeat and respiration?

Edit: Yup, they only consider you 'dead' when it's both.
 
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WedgeX

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Oct 27, 2017
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The Des Moines Register mentions that his heart required restarting several times, but doesn’t get further into that detail.

A man convicted of murder was rushed from the Iowa State Penitentiary to the hospital in 2015, where his heart was restarted five times.
 

Zombine

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Oct 25, 2017
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Your heart is a pump. When that pump stops your blood stops circulating. When your blood stops circulating your organs stop receiving oxygen. When your organs stop receiving oxygen cellular death occurs. When cellular death occurs your body starts to shut down. This can be stopped but not entirely reversed. The Cardiopulminary system is essential for maintaining life. We call death after an extended period of failed attempts at resuscitation.
 

neon_dream

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Dec 18, 2017
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You don't defibrillate unless there is a heartbeat. You do CPR to keep blood flowing and the brain supplied with oxygen and try to get a heartbeat going through other means or hope it returns naturally but defibrillation is only done to reset the heart from various arrhythmia.
Apparently you don't shock pulseless electrical activity, true.
 
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Lagamorph

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Oct 26, 2017
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Isn't Death generally legally defined as Brain Death? Aka past the point at which resuscitation is at all possible.

So from a legal perspective, he didn't actually die.
 

Zoe

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Oct 25, 2017
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I don't think it's a good argument to say that he has died thus ending his sentence, but ignoring the DNR approaches "cruel and unusual" territory and should get him (or his family) something.
 

Thequietone

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Oct 26, 2017
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Doctors seem to like ignoring DNRs. My dad signed one because he was in too much pain and wanted it to end. Went into cardiac arrest and his heart stopped beating. Doctors began defib anyways, trying to claim the DNR wasn't valid because the pain he was in clouded his judgment.
 

Coyote Zamora

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Jul 19, 2019
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I don't think it's a good argument to say that he has died thus ending his sentence, but ignoring the DNR approaches "cruel and unusual" territory and should get him (or his family) something.
The medical staff went against a DNR.

He might have a case.
He has no case. Legally he's considered property of the state. It's at the States discretion to honor a DNR or not.
 

Gaius Cassius

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Oct 28, 2017
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Wait, wasn’t this shit an old Star Trek episode? Except the dude nearly died (after being lobotomized or some shit) and woke up with amnesia, so he argued he was a new person and therefore innocent and should be let go?
 

Einchy

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Oct 25, 2017
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We do not find his argument persuasive,” Judge Potterfield wrote, adding that the judges found it unlikely the Legislature would have wanted “to set criminal defendants free whenever medical procedures during their incarceration lead to their resuscitation by medical professionals.”
Who are you to judge? Fucking jabroni.

RELEASE THIS MAN
 

Jedi2016

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Oct 27, 2017
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Seems he'd only have a case if he were declared legally dead at some point during the proceedings. Without an official declaration of death by a licensed physician, he won't have much of a case. That, and the fact that he's sitting there talking.
 

TheMango55

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Nov 1, 2017
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Now I want to see an heir who demands all of his father's wealth immediately as his inheritance because he briefly died but was resuscitated.

"That motherfucker died, bring out the will"
 

Dyno

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Oct 25, 2017
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I mean, I 'died' multiple times at birth. If the law worked in a way where you could classify your natural life as ending when you were revived by technology then I've been walking round with a get out of jail free card my whole life.
 

Coyote Zamora

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Jul 19, 2019
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Is there precedent for that? Like say, forcing a cancer patient to prolong treatment or something?
They couldn't force the treatment but they can provide the treatment should both the state and the patient wish it. The state always has the mandate to preserve life until such a time as the people(through the state) deem a life forfeit. That's why you hear stories about death row prisoners receiving life saving treatments only to be executed later.