The second you take away someones right to live (in a criminal fashion, freak accidents dont count) you have limited rights.
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A Prisoner Who Briefly Died Argues That He’s Served His Life Sentence
- Thread starter WedgeX
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Ok sure I'm not a medical professional so I can't argue that. What determines life? Brain activity?
Pretty much brain activity. They can sustain your heart beat with machines, but not brain activity
This. We either care about legally protected rights or we don't. Making exceptions based on arbitrary, emotionally motivated "lines in the sand" is the start of a slippery slope.
You can literally see people transitioning into Tory sub-Boomers in real time on here.
Irredeemable piece of shit or not, dude was entitled to test his argument in court.
Is it even doing that, though?
Was his death recorded into state records clerically? His Social security number rescinded? A new birth certificate issued?
Medically he was dead, but legally he wasn't, and, as the judge said, plainly speaking, he hasn't died.
Sounding a bit ignorant here (or maybe I'm the ignorant one), care to go into further detail?
I guess when I didn;t die for more than 2 minutes and the doctors told my parents to plan a funeral doesn't count then huh.
You didnt die, and I'm delighted you're still alive. Your heart probably stopped. You were likely in cardiac arrest. You stopped breathing. Your vital signs may have briefly stopped. But you didn't die, unless I'm talking to a ghost.
WOW people have strong feelings on this one.
Heheh its cool, naw Im not a ghost yet ,I was saying it in jest (my attitude, not the "dying" thing, it happened when I was a baby), just don't say that to people who wouldn't know the difference :P , they might overreact :P
It's hyperbole that I guess even doctors are 'guilty' of doing, generally when a person goes into cardiac / cardiopulmonary arrest. You aren't dead just because your heart stops or your breathing stops.
Dude's been in prison for 20+ years if he poses no danger to society anymore he should be released anyway
I get that, but there's been many cases of being "dead" for longer than a couple minutes and it kinda feels like arguing semantics due to someone in that state being dead if there is no intervention.
But then again my ignorance far outweighs my knowledge so whatever.
But then again my ignorance far outweighs my knowledge so whatever.
You were still not dead, but you sure would be dead if the doctors didn't act. If you heart stops you are not dead, you are in the path of dying. If your brain activities stop, you are dead.
The fact that ge had a DNR but they still brought him back is bs in my book... he has a point though.
You're not dead until you're brain dead. You're not brain dead until several minutes without blood flow, more than just a few seconds of the heart not beating. That's the entire point of resuscitation, shocking the heart, or machines that breathe for you.
I guess I can't blame the guy for trying that defense though it's not surprising that the courts rejected it.
This is stupid. If he was pronounced dead, legally, by a coroner, then he's dead. Go back to jail, buddy.
You don't defibrillate unless there is a heartbeat. You do CPR to keep blood flowing and the brain supplied with oxygen and try to get a heartbeat going through other means or hope it returns naturally but defibrillation is only done to reset the heart from various arrhythmia.
Clinical death is a thing, and is referred to as such.
Unconscious =/= dead. The doctor's did not violate the DNR; they did the right thing.
If they administered CPR after there was no detectable heartbeat then they would have violated it.
If this is actually what happened, then he never really died. IV "resuscitation" is not the same as cardiopulmonary.
FYI physicians can declare a person dead after failed CPR, without explicitly measuring brain activity.
From the scant details in the article, this guy didn't fit the definition of cardiac OR brain death. He never underwent cardiopulmonary resuscitation. His "resuscitation" was IV resuscitation. Which you would give to a person for various reasons, one commonly being hypotension/hypovolemia.
His argument is akin to someone with an infection saying "I would have died if the doctors didn't give me any antibiotics."
Unless someone can find more details on his medical care that specify that he underwent cardiac arrest.
From the scant details in the article, this guy didn't fit the definition of cardiac OR brain death. He never underwent cardiopulmonary resuscitation. His "resuscitation" was IV resuscitation. Which you would give to a person for various reasons, one commonly being hypotension/hypovolemia.
His argument is akin to someone with an infection saying "I would have died if the doctors didn't give me any antibiotics."
Unless someone can find more details on his medical care that specify that he underwent cardiac arrest.
Hope he sues the hospital for every penny they're worth.
why they violated his DNR is fucking asinine
why they violated his DNR is fucking asinine
Sorry to break it to you, but fluids do not count as breaking DNR. You have to specify that for it to apply. DNR does NOT mean do not treat.
Your heart and lungs are just organs that pump fluids, they don't really matter. They can stop, they can be replaced wholesale and you're still you, because your brain activity *is* you.
I mean we have clinical and legal definitions of things for reasons. If he met the clinical definition of being deceased then he was in fact dead.
