The second you take away someones right to live (in a criminal fashion, freak accidents dont count) you have limited rights.
The second you take away someones right to live (in a criminal fashion, freak accidents dont count) you have limited rights.
Off course not. You can be alive without a heartbeat, and a heart can beat without a live person. Heart beat doesn't determine life.
Ok sure I'm not a medical professional so I can't argue that. What determines life? Brain activity?
Is it even doing that, though?This is prioritizing the letter of the law over the spirit of it in the dumbest possible way. But regardless he never actually died, resuscitatation isn't resurrection
It always irks me when people are described as "being dead for 2 minutes", or "briefly died". No they didn't. If you die, you die. You don't die and then you're ok. You weren't dead.
I guess when I didn;t die for more than 2 minutes and the doctors told my parents to plan a funeral doesn't count then huh.It always irks me when people are described as "being dead for 2 minutes", or "briefly died". No they didn't. If you die, you die. You don't die and then you're ok. You weren't dead.
You didnt die, and I'm delighted you're still alive. Your heart probably stopped. You were likely in cardiac arrest. You stopped breathing. Your vital signs may have briefly stopped. But you didn't die, unless I'm talking to a ghost.I guess when I didn;t die for more than 2 minutes and the doctors told my parents to plan a funeral doesn't count then huh.
Heheh its cool, naw Im not a ghost yet ,I was saying it in jest (my attitude, not the "dying" thing, it happened when I was a baby), just don't say that to people who wouldn't know the difference :P , they might overreact :PYou didnt die, and I'm delighted you're still alive. Your heart probably stopped. You were likely in cardiac arrest. You stopped breathing. Your vital signs may have briefly stopped. But you didn't die, unless I'm talking to a ghost.
WOW people have strong feelings on this one.
It's hyperbole that I guess even doctors are 'guilty' of doing, generally when a person goes into cardiac / cardiopulmonary arrest. You aren't dead just because your heart stops or your breathing stops.Sounding a bit ignorant here (or maybe I'm the ignorant one), care to go into further detail?
This was the first thing I thought of and am so happy to see it as the first reply. Well done.
If I'm on the operating table and my heart stops beating I'm dead right? Surely I'm dead if no one does anything. But if the medical staff intervene and restart my heart then we can agree I'm alive. IDK I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your sentiment (our nomenclature of death implies permanence) but it seems to me that you can be technically dead and then brought back to life in medical terms.
I mean, what do you call not having any signs of life then? Because I thought it's even accepted by doctors and nurses that you could die but be resuscitated back to life.
If I'm on the operating table and my heart stops beating I'm dead right? Surely I'm dead if no one does anything. But if the medical staff intervene and restart my heart then we can agree I'm alive. IDK I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your sentiment (our nomenclature of death implies permanence) but it seems to me that you can be technically dead and then brought back to life in medical terms.
You don't defibrillate unless there is a heartbeat. You do CPR to keep blood flowing and the brain supplied with oxygen and try to get a heartbeat going through other means or hope it returns naturally but defibrillation is only done to reset the heart from various arrhythmia.You're not dead until you're brain dead. You're not brain dead until several minutes without blood flow, more than just a few seconds of the heart not beating. That's the entire point of resuscitation, shocking the heart, or machines that breathe for you.
You didnt die, and I'm delighted you're still alive. Your heart probably stopped. You were likely in cardiac arrest. You stopped breathing. Your vital signs may have briefly stopped. But you didn't die, unless I'm talking to a ghost.
WOW people have strong feelings on this one.
It's hyperbole that I guess even doctors are 'guilty' of doing, generally when a person goes into cardiac / cardiopulmonary arrest. You aren't dead just because your heart stops or your breathing stops.
I read this story earlier, and one thing I found interesting was this:
Which seems messed up, in my opinion.
Hope he sues the hospital for every penny they're worth.
why they violated his DNR is fucking asinine
Your heart and lungs are just organs that pump fluids, they don't really matter. They can stop, they can be replaced wholesale and you're still you, because your brain activity *is* you.Sounding a bit ignorant here (or maybe I'm the ignorant one), care to go into further detail?
You didnt die, and I'm delighted you're still alive. Your heart probably stopped. You were likely in cardiac arrest. You stopped breathing. Your vital signs may have briefly stopped. But you didn't die, unless I'm talking to a ghost.
WOW people have strong feelings on this one.