If I'm on the operating table and my heart stops beating I'm dead right? Surely I'm dead if no one does anything. But if the medical staff intervene and restart my heart then we can agree I'm alive. IDK I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your sentiment (our nomenclature of death implies permanence) but it seems to me that you can be technically dead and then brought back to life in medical terms.
A man convicted of murder was rushed from the Iowa State Penitentiary to the hospital in 2015, where his heart was restarted five times.
You don't defibrillate unless there is a heartbeat. You do CPR to keep blood flowing and the brain supplied with oxygen and try to get a heartbeat going through other means or hope it returns naturally but defibrillation is only done to reset the heart from various arrhythmia.
It's a stupid argument by itself, but the fact that the hospital ignored his DNR and revived him so he could go back to prison seems cruel and unusual.
This. It's 2019, and cardiac death is not necessarily death. Brain death, on the other hand, there's no coming back from.If you're able to make an argument you never died. The idea that you died because your heart stopped briefly is laughable
You don't have rights like that when your in prison, you are literally property of the state.It's a stupid argument by itself, but the fact that the hospital ignored his DNR and revived him so he could go back to prison seems cruel and unusual.
Yeah, that is why he is in there.
He's witty tho
Did he say something witty when he murdered a person? Was he Arnie in an '80s action flick?
Yes that is fucked up.I read this story earlier, and one thing I found interesting was this:
Which seems messed up, in my opinion.
You don't want to talk about stuff like that on Era. Believe me.People shouldn't be put in prison for life to begin with
The length of prison sentences in this country is absurd and misses the point of prison, puts an unnecessary cost on the state, and is cruel to prisoners.
I don't think it's a good argument to say that he has died thus ending his sentence, but ignoring the DNR approaches "cruel and unusual" territory and should get him (or his family) something.
Why the handle?Ballsy.
About as ballsy as murdering a man with an axe handle, which is what he's in there for.
We do not find his argument persuasive," Judge Potterfield wrote, adding that the judges found it unlikely the Legislature would have wanted "to set criminal defendants free whenever medical procedures during their incarceration lead to their resuscitation by medical professionals."
Sorry. In what country did that happen?Doctors seem to like ignoring DNRs. My dad signed one because he was in too much pain and wanted it to end. Went into cardiac arrest and his heart stopped beating. Doctors began defib anyways, trying to claim the DNR wasn't valid because the pain he was in clouded his judgment.
Try telling that to a Republican.Off course not. You can be alive without a heartbeat, and a heart can beat without a live person. Heart beat doesn't determine life.
I don't think "If you resuscitate, you must repatriate" has quite the same ring to it.
Is there precedent for that? Like say, forcing a cancer patient to prolong treatment or something?He has no case. Legally he's considered property of the state. It's at the States discretion to honor a DNR or not.
USA. We didn't pursue it since life saving attempts failed and he got his wish anyways. Government gave us some money for his death since the medical problems that led to his death were caused by an experiment they were doing during the war he was enlisted in. Got exposed accidentally to the shit.
They're judges.
They couldn't force the treatment but they can provide the treatment should both the state and the patient wish it. The state always has the mandate to preserve life until such a time as the people(through the state) deem a life forfeit. That's why you hear stories about death row prisoners receiving life saving treatments only to be executed later.Is there precedent for that? Like say, forcing a cancer patient to prolong treatment or something?