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A watermark can be briefly seen in Kingdom Hearts 3’s Let it Go cutscene
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Haven't played the game yet, so there's pre-rendered cutscenes? Man, that sucks not only due to disc size but also increasing the resolution of the in-game down the road not affecting them. Any idea what resolution they're rendered in?
a cracked copy likely wouldn't display the watermark... that's why someone would crack it..
It's likely that a computer on the render farm didn't have an updated license... I don't think this indicates anything illegal
It's not a cost issue, it's a network shitting the bed issue.
I have had a ton of issues with arnold and i'm not really comfortable using it in production because of things like this. Most render engines have a separate trial and full version so that if they drop the licenses, they wont render - and you'll get a notification that there's an issue.
Rendering everything as normal and slapping watermarks all over it because the internal network was under a lot of strain is beyond useless and a huge problem.
For massive studios with hundreds of employees and internal render farms they have the IT staff and support to make sure this kind of thing doesnt happen, but smaller studios can get fucked by it. (and the re-render with english lip sync will have been outsourced to a small studio)
Use Disney or Pixars render tech to achieve things that Arnold or Redshift could do for half the price/work/computing power?
Disney and Pixars renderers are very expensive and require a team of trained monkeys to actually get the results that Pix and Disney achieve.....Arnold, Redshift
To put things into perspective, talking about scenes in Frozen:
30 Hours x 4000 computers.
Thats 120,000 hours of computing power per frame.....get serious friend.
Current renderers can achieve production quality at a lower price point, and dont require hiring highly specialized artists from Disney/Pixar to do relatively simple scenes.
Yeah, this makes it less funny and more boring. Wonder if they'll eventually patch it out.
Rerendering the scene (potentially more than once) and patching it may just end up being more costly then its worth tbh.
I'm so glad I played through this sequence yesterday. I would've HATED to get spoiled that there was going to be a Let it go scene before I played it. The title is definitey a spoiler and is unnecessary. Please remove it.
Nomura confirmed that Disney gave them the models and motion data
Yeah this is such a minor thing that is understandably skipped over, especially if it wasn't even in the Japanese version. It's not really cheap or lazy. If anything I find it kinda humbling.
For what its worth the KH version also apparently "fixes" the weird Elsa hair clip from the movie
I believe they cut the scene differently?
For what its worth the KH version also apparently "fixes" the weird Elsa hair clip from the movie
I believe they cut the scene differently?
Yeah this is such a minor thing that is understandably skipped over, especially if it wasn't even in the Japanese version. It's not really cheap or lazy. If anything I find it kinda humbling.
For what its worth the KH version also apparently "fixes" the weird Elsa hair clip from the movie
I believe they cut the scene differently?
I swear I simply cannot see the clipping people are talking about. When does it happen exactly? Where should I look at?
Most likely whichever computer was rendering that frame had it's connection drop. As such it wouldn't effect the rest of the cutscene.
Her braid just kinda phases through her arm.
You can tell by the way the hair moves. It's not falling down like it'd been moved on top her arm.
It is a bit tricky to tell, but the tip of the braid is already on the other side of her arm after it passes by her back. Just keep an eye on her left armpit/shoulder area
Not alone, even when it's segmented out like that, I still can't see whatever it is. I believe people when they say it's there, but whatever it is I have no clue what it is and where exactly I'm supposed to be looking.
Ah....I do see it now. Well.......lol.....Cannot unsee it now :(
Look exactly where the poster above you tells you to look for. The braid pass through her arm/shoulder as she makes it move with her left hand.
They angle it so that you can't see the clipping.Yeah this is such a minor thing that is understandably skipped over, especially if it wasn't even in the Japanese version. It's not really cheap or lazy. If anything I find it kinda humbling.
For what its worth the KH version also apparently "fixes" the weird Elsa hair clip from the movie
I believe they cut the scene differently?
At least it's hard to notice during normal play but it's pretty fucking wild that this made it into the final game
More like something caused during by a networking issue when they batch rendered the English version of the cinematic. It's not super uncommon for Arnold to have this issue.
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When I was in Uni doing a 3d course and batch rendering, there would be a person on duty looking through every frame because this happened even on legit copies of Arnold Renderer.
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uhh thats not right. it's 30 hours per frame. in order to render out the thousands of frames, they had 4k machines available to use.
30 hours per frame is already a shitload even for pixar / ILM, 120k is ludicrous.
Arnold is famously shit for this. I guarantee they had to re-render thousands of individual frames to replace ones with watermarks and this is the only one that slipped through the cracks.
If you look at the credits, the cutscenes were assisted by over a dozen different animation companies. One of them will have slipped slightly, and the QC person missed it.
But..
I have seen comparison videos pop up on YouTube in the past few days so I thought most cutscenes in the game were realtime ?
Why even rerender them, especially since most I've seen are almost a 1:1 match for the originals in terms of camera angles and cuts ?
I have seen comparison videos pop up on YouTube in the past few days so I thought most cutscenes in the game were realtime ?
Why even rerender them, especially since most I've seen are almost a 1:1 match for the originals in terms of camera angles and cuts ?
The game struggles when there a few particles effect on screen lol can't imagine how low it'd go if these videos were realtime.
Quantum Break apparently had a FRAPS watermark, so close enough.
For when they need bigger effects, particles and such; like when (mild spoiler) Aqua turns Castle Oblivion into Land of Departure
And I think there are two kinds of pre-rendered cutscenes, ones that try to look like gameplay but with an added touches, and the full-blown Visual Works cutscenes, like the secret movie.
