lol there's so much in this as well though. Is the Smithsonian a union shop? Because that also closes a lot of doors too.
I don't know about museums to be able to speak more than just generalizations unfortunately.
lol there's so much in this as well though. Is the Smithsonian a union shop? Because that also closes a lot of doors too.
It mostly sounds like she's largely responsible for this even existing since this is the type of stuff she's been working on for the Smithsonian for over a decade. I really don't see why the person who was doing the work to make this exhibit a reality shouldn't also be the one in charge of curating it.
I find the outrage to this to be ridiculous and the notion that a person can't be used as an authority on the subject because they can't say the N word to be insulting. This kinda shit gives this forum a seriously bad look.
Vanilla Ice's 2019 Exhibit featuring:C'mon, be real. Those names are too prominent. They would hire someone readily available: Vanilla Ice.
I think before judging these people who dedicated their life to do these jobs we should all admit we're all message boards dwellers assholes who don't what the fuck we're talking about.
I think before judging these people who dedicated their life to do these jobs we should all admit we're all message boards dwellers assholes who don't what the fuck we're talking about.
If I studied and immersed myself with Asian American culture my entire life, I sure the fuck would step aside to not lead a museum exhibit. This has to do with selflessness beyond just being qualified.I don't know how the museum advertised and interviewed for this role but this is such a stupid argument.
Just because you are part of 'group x' doesn't mean you inherently know more about context, culture and historical placement of said group/topic.
Sure, you don't have the same (or first hand) experience of being part of that group, but experience isn't knowledge.
I'd like to think someone who has studied a topic to a phd level or beyond would have more knowledge of historical context and precedent than someone uneducated in 'group x'...
You could argue that minority groups (be they black, lgbtq+, Hispanic or whatever) aren't getting the chance to do that level of education and I think that's valid and the real argument.
We need to focus on real injustices and systematic failures, not silly sideshows like this.
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I don't know how the museum advertised and interviewed for this role but this is such a stupid argument.
Just because you are part of 'group x' doesn't mean you inherently know more about context, culture and historical placement of said group/topic.
Sure, you don't have the same (or first hand) experience of being part of that group, but experience isn't knowledge.
I'd like to think someone who has studied a topic to a phd level or beyond would have more knowledge of historical context and precedent than someone uneducated in 'group x'...
You could argue that minority groups (be they black, lgbtq+, Hispanic or whatever) aren't getting the chance to do that level of education and I think that's valid and the real argument.
We need to focus on real injustices and systematic failures, not silly sideshows like this.
I don't know how the museum advertised and interviewed for this role but this is such a stupid argument.
Just because you are part of 'group x' doesn't mean you inherently know more about context, culture and historical placement of said group/topic.
Sure, you don't have the same (or first hand) experience of being part of that group, but experience isn't knowledge.
I'd like to think someone who has studied a topic to a phd level or beyond would have more knowledge of historical context and precedent than someone uneducated in 'group x'...
You could argue that minority groups (be they black, lgbtq+, Hispanic or whatever) aren't getting the chance to do that level of education and I think that's valid and the real argument.
We need to focus on real injustices and systematic failures, not silly sideshows like this.
.I think people are really underestimating what it takes to be a curator. This isn't just being knowledgeable about a subject.
What a weird post.
White people cannot be experts on black cultural EXPERIENCES. Fuck history, you can open a book and read history. She cannot speak to cultural experiences with authority over a black person with similar credentials.
But she's not like that. I mean for one this whole thing is basically her life work, and second of all she was hired by a mostly blacks staff made of really really smart African American people.I wish I could write that I am surprised about the amount of "well, if she is qualified.." responses in this thread.
Anyway, this is just your daily reminder that systemic racism is ingrained in just about every aspect of society.
That's good, because I don't think she's trying to be an expert on black cultural experience, but trying to create a museum exhibit about Hip-Hop music.
This pretty much summed what I've been wanting to say, but probably in a better and less-likely-to-be-perceived inflammatory way.I don't know how the museum advertised and interviewed for this role but this is such a stupid argument.
Just because you are part of 'group x' doesn't mean you inherently know more about context, culture and historical placement of said group/topic.
Sure, you don't have the same (or first hand) experience of being part of that group, but experience isn't knowledge.
I'd like to think someone who has studied a topic to a phd level or beyond would have more knowledge of historical context and precedent than someone uneducated in 'group x'...
You could argue that minority groups (be they black, lgbtq+, Hispanic or whatever) aren't getting the chance to do that level of education and I think that's valid and the real argument.
We need to focus on real injustices and systematic failures, not silly sideshows like this.
If she does the job well and better than anyone else, than she should have it. Any other feeling towards it is letting someone's skin color dictate your feelings, which should make you feel like absolute shit.
I'm curious what will happen in the future. In 300 years black people will be far removed and never experienced hip hop culture of today. Does the skin color divide still stand? I would think it racist to say assume a black person couldn't curate a Museum on Mozart.
But she's not like that. I mean for one this whole thing is basically her life work, and second of all she was hired by a mostly blacks staff made of really really smart African American people.
That's good, because I don't think she's trying to be an expert on black cultural experience, but trying to create a museum exhibit about Hip-Hop music.
Because "white person" sounds weirder than "white man" or "white woman" in that context. Nothing more. It's the whiteness that is the issue, not their sex.
So we give her a job because a white institution finally decided to listen to a white person while ignoring black voices?This woman is the reason why hip hop was taken in count at the Smithsonian. Yet she's not qualified for this position because of her skin color.
I'm sorry but this post is BS. It's really really getting old hearing non blacks determining what's important for us and what isn't. You calling this a silly sideshow is so out of touch that it's oppressive in itself.I don't know how the museum advertised and interviewed for this role but this is such a stupid argument.
Just because you are part of 'group x' doesn't mean you inherently know more about context, culture and historical placement of said group/topic.
Sure, you don't have the same (or first hand) experience of being part of that group, but experience isn't knowledge.
I'd like to think someone who has studied a topic to a phd level or beyond would have more knowledge of historical context and precedent than someone uneducated in 'group x'...
You could argue that minority groups (be they black, lgbtq+, Hispanic or whatever) aren't getting the chance to do that level of education and I think that's valid and the real argument.
We need to focus on real injustices and systematic failures, not silly sideshows like this.
You mean black institution because the people who run this thing are black.So we give her a job because a white institution finally decided to listen to a white person while ignoring black voices?
What does being racist have to do with making music? I hadn't even heard of Identitarian until now and was confused when I tried to google how you spelled it.I wasn't aware Mozart made music with a white idententarian lens
You mean black institution because the people who run this thing are black.
I guess that Jewish Community Center is pretty racist, huh?
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the smithsonian is ran by white people. i'm sorry to break it to you but yeah, it kinda is.stop this
it's super embarrassing seeing all the people in here dragging the museum itself
https://nmaahc.si.edu/about/leadership
The director, advisory, and guiding council is predominantly black. If they are cool with it, I'm inclined to say she's supremely qualified.
While hip hop is largely tied to black culture, it isn't necessarily black culture, so I don't see why the position should have someone black. If she's knowledgeable, and credibly so, I don't see the problem with this
What does being racist have to do with making music? I hadn't even heard of Identitarian until now and was confused when I tried to google how you spelled it.
He's talking about her earlier work at the Smithsonian before the African American museum existed.You mean black institution because the people who run this thing are black.
Who would win:
Lonnie G. Bunch II, Founding director of the Smithsonian, an african american man who's a prolific and widely published author, $ has written on topics ranging from the black military experience, the American presidency and all-black towns in the American West to diversity in museum management and the impact of funding and politics on American museums
or
some dudes on the internet who learned about it 30 minutes ago
I really think we should at least acknowledge our ignorance on such complicated topics if we want to talk about it seriously. Be humble. Otherwise we're just shouting random shit at each other without any significance.
Why do you think this?Considering all shes done for the museum and the exhibit - good on her, she deserves the position.
Hopefully she isn't chased out of the position (but who are we kidding on this one, of course she will be).
That's because rightly years afterwards we don't say classical music is a white only experience.Mozart is not tied to whiteness So your analogy does not work.
Classical music is art music produced or rooted in the traditions of Western culture