Honestly, not sure what's the point after the but. I never said one or the other should've been allowed to have a gun.
This country has an unhealthy obsession with guns, and most would probably solve an argument by shooting the other dead.
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A Woman Intentionally Hit a motorcyclist with Her Car and Fled, He Followed Her to House, She Came Out to Confront Him with a Gun, So He Shot Her Dead
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This country has an unhealthy obsession with guns, and most would probably solve an argument by shooting the other dead.
Like OP said, the "pregnant librarian" editorializing is doing all the heavy lifting here.
All we have to go off of is the investigator's word.
How do we know she's actually dead? How do we know she wasn't driving a spaceship? How do we know the baby wasn't the one driving? How do we know the motorcyclist wasn't JFK Jr trying to make his way to Dealey Plaza?
I mean, that's only a problem because the other person would own a gun. It's creating its own demand.
I wonder how the guy got the drop on her, he may be experienced with firearms.
Not that it matters.
Not that it matters.
People really love not reading the actual story and making up their own bullshit to fit whatever weird narrative they have
I feel like any dispatcher would advise someone to not do that fwiw, I have never heard of an instance of someone being told by 911 to keep on someone's tail
Why do people keep asking for more evidence by ignoring the existing evidence that's already there?
"The shooter could've been a chupacabra!"
"The shooter could've been a chupacabra!"
Like what I've and some other people have said, there are people who have a bad bias towards this kind of scenario no matter how many times evidence contradicting them. And they'll stay stubborn or leave and never return until the next thread happens.
If someone tried to kill me I sure as hell wouldn't try to follow them / stop them.
Lol I would follow them a bit , get their license plate late at least, they tried to kill me, no way I would let that slide.
Either there's a bunch of saints posting in this thread or people are just bs'ing themselves
Everyone talks like the motorcyclist knew where she lived. He didn't necessarily chase her home, he followed her until she was home, which it turns out was right nearby.
As long as we're doing hypotheticals, they may have been following her to get the plates when she just ended up stopping.
About 20 years ago my uncle was severly beaten after following the people after a hit&run. The woman was clearly in the wrong and the biker is in the clear, I'm just saying i would never follow someone like that.
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Oh fuck off with that shit. From the very start my position was that it sounds like he escalated the situation. People are defending this guy based on a very biased article missing tons of information which we may never know given that we only have him and his witness (friend?) for the full story.
Are people advocating following someone home after an altercation? That is some white fucking privilege right there. People seem to be implying he had a right to defend himself based on the initial incident. That's fucking insane in my mind. You guys sound blood thirsty to me. The gun situation in the US is fucked and this thread is prime example. Neither of them should have had access to guns.
Personally, as a minority, this article and situation send off all kinds of alarm bells.
Also, whoever said she as a white woman, she has a hispanic last name and looks hispanic.
Cops will usually say something along the lines of, "we don't need (want) you to follow them but we can't stop you". That's because it's not illegal to follow somebody for the most part. If he would have just gotten the license plate and drove off, it's likely that'd been the end of it and it would have never been pursued. If you want to actually catch the person who hurt you, you have to be there to make a statement and possibly tell the police you want to file charges. It's especially important if you have actual witness there to also make statements. Otherwise, they'll get away.
youre absolutely right. I almost died in a car accident where the people got away, it was great. If I had caught up to those ppl I would've have hugged them with love like homer hugs Bart. 1love
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And you would be wrong. And as another minority, lol FUCK OFF with your "alarm bells"
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She escalated by coming out of her house with a gun, after she hit him and ran
I live in Texas. I would absolutely not follow someone especially to wherever they stop haha.
Nope, I'm well aware that my threat response isn't "fight," it's "freeze." Which is good, because we no longer live in a time where dumb reactions like chasing down someone who threatened you is a good idea. Because it tends to escalate conflicts, and there's no guarantee I'd win that fight.
I'd rather be at the scene of the hit and run, on my phone with the cops, than at some dude's house amped up on adrenaline hoping I win a shootout with my CCW. Seems like the smart play to me. But I guess that makes me a pussy, huh?
Heheh sorry I can't tell what is serious or kidding here most of the time.
Following someone after a road rage incident is prolonging the road rage and escalating the situation.
Maybe this is why guns shouldn't be available to everyone like they're candy.
RIP to the woman and hope that guy gets counselling for the trauma he no doubt will have to deal with.
RIP to the woman and hope that guy gets counselling for the trauma he no doubt will have to deal with.
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Following someone after they refuse to stop to ensure they are held liable is completely normal natural human response
And she escalated BY TRYING TO KILL HIM WITH HER CAR.
There were WITNESSES to that.
See how that works?
Some of y'all just need to come out and say that you're siding with her because she was pregnant. Like for real how do you not pin full responsibility on her?
- Hitting a Motorist with her car.
- Failing to stop to exchange information or even see if he was okay and fleeing the scene
- Not staying in her house and choosing to confront the man after she did flee
- pulling a gun on him during the confrontation outside the house
No-one said or implied that at all. He followed her to get her plate or ID her for the cops, people are saying he had a right to do that. After she then leaves the safety of her house brandishing a weapon, people are saying he has a right to defend himself. He was on the roadway, not at her front door. Nobody is blood thirsty, as you're passive-aggressively trying to claim here.
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Motorcyclists are infamous assboles on the road especially in groups, so I'd be hesitant to believe she intentionally hot them if the only other witness I'd the dude who followed her to her home.
Even if she was in the wrong tailing someone to their home is very aggressive and suspect. Escalating the situation with a gun is unwise, but I think home defense is legitimate reason to have a gun. IDK about any of yall, but a pissed off motorist following me home would make me feel threatened. We don't know her side of the story because she's dead. Ultimately, she may have been in the wrong but if the motorcyclists get her license plates and report the accident to the cops, all parties would be alive. Even if you're in the right, always better to deescalate a situation.
Even if she was in the wrong tailing someone to their home is very aggressive and suspect. Escalating the situation with a gun is unwise, but I think home defense is legitimate reason to have a gun. IDK about any of yall, but a pissed off motorist following me home would make me feel threatened. We don't know her side of the story because she's dead. Ultimately, she may have been in the wrong but if the motorcyclists get her license plates and report the accident to the cops, all parties would be alive. Even if you're in the right, always better to deescalate a situation.
Kind of hard to escalate from attempted murder. That's already close to the top of the mountain. Following someone to make sure they don't get away after committing a crime, while admittedly dangerous, is a water slide down from that.
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Honestly he should have just apologized for getting hit by her
Minimally. They were outside waiting for police. It's not like he was banging on her door yelling at her to get out of the house.
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I understand what you mean, and thinking on it and reading yours and others' posts, my view has changed somewhat.
But, I do think, that if the cops told him to follow her or stay so close to her home, then that was horrible advice that clearly ended the situation worse than it could've.
Yeah, but how's he going to apologize if he doesn't follow her?
The US is a very fucked up place. I don't even care about who was the aggressor. It's the ridiculous gun laws that are the actual problem. You are gunning yourselves down for the most stupid reasons just because you can.
In normal, civilized countries this would've been a shouting match, followed by a police visit and she probably would've lost her drivers license for hitting the motorcyclists if there was any evidence. This would've been an appropriate outcome.
In normal, civilized countries this would've been a shouting match, followed by a police visit and she probably would've lost her drivers license for hitting the motorcyclists if there was any evidence. This would've been an appropriate outcome.
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It's okay to admit you are wrong, people who keep white knighting for a twice-over attempted murderess.
We won't think less of you. By which I mean we won't think about you at all.
We won't think less of you. By which I mean we won't think about you at all.
Following someone even after a hit and run is objectively wrong and escalates the situation, get the number and call the cops. Both parties can be at fault in some capacity.
I can say that I have experienced someone following me in road rage and trying to get me out of the car to fight. I'm a big dude and not afraid of anyone in a physical confrontation, but that shit scared me. People are wack, in the US often-armed, and someone crazy enough to tail you like some vigilante (although unlike this women I hadn't committed a crime), you are well within your right to be comcerned.
I would follow someone who tried to run me over for sure. Neither of us would have guns though.
Im pretty sure the following part is to get an ID or ask why the fuck someone tried to off you, not to get revenge.
Im pretty sure the following part is to get an ID or ask why the fuck someone tried to off you, not to get revenge.
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