Tbh all of them are a good choice. Because what will happen when they dont sell it s gonna much worse for the devs.
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According to The Information; MS, EA, Take 2 and Activision interested in buying WB Games
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Speaking of Xcloud+Gamepass.. how many new subs could it possibly bring?
there are around 2.5billion Android devices. Would it be reasonable to think that between 1% to 5% of these users would get Xcloud + Gamepass? That is an additional 25 million+ subs..
We could have the scenario where Gamepass has more users than there are Xbox hardware.
yeah, Gamepass has the potential to bring in crazy amounts of revenue per month/year to Xbox division. Buying more devs in order to provide a more constant stream of high quality titles is a no brainer for the possibilities of Gamepass..
there are around 2.5billion Android devices. Would it be reasonable to think that between 1% to 5% of these users would get Xcloud + Gamepass? That is an additional 25 million+ subs..
We could have the scenario where Gamepass has more users than there are Xbox hardware.
yeah, Gamepass has the potential to bring in crazy amounts of revenue per month/year to Xbox division. Buying more devs in order to provide a more constant stream of high quality titles is a no brainer for the possibilities of Gamepass..
But is it weird?
Just look what both teams delivered in this generation and you understand why people would be positive about Sony but not positive about Microsoft.
Also, Rocksteady games are more popular on PS because they have marketing deals for Batman. The same situation with Mortal Kombat.
But... WB is for sale. Microsoft is interested buy Sony not. So no one should be angry about potential any buyout.
This is the most compelling reason for what otherwise seems like a pretty uncompelling purchase for Microsoft (at least at the kind of money WB wants).
If Microsoft's long term plan for Game Pass is to eventually have it almost-entirely lean on internal content that they control and don't have to license, then they will want to scoop up more studios when the opportunity presents itself. Especially if those studios could wind up in the hands of a publisher with a competitor service to Game Pass, like EA has.
If the Game Pass-style model really takes off, you're going to see more publishers hoard their own content to give their platforms unique value - sort of like how every movie studio seems to have their own streaming service planned these days. In that situation, it would be imperative for Microsoft to be self-sufficient content-wise.
But of course, every new studio you buy, also increases operating costs. Not just in the initial purchase, but in the week-to-week costs. I'm not going to pretend I really understand all of the business considerations Microsoft would be making here.
Sony putting games on PC with a 3-year delay makes me prefer in this case in particular. Imagine Mortal Kombat 12 being PS5 exclusive for 3 years :( No thank you.
Are we talking about how they treat their employees? Or taking the banal "but my games" look here?
This depends on whether that publisher can sustain a service like Game Pass. In that case expect smaller publishers to be gobbled up. The difference between Movies/TV and Gaming industries is that the movies/TV industry has already been consolidated with big companies owning the majority of the industry before Netflix. The gaming industry is not like that at the moment.
But MS looks like to be making some moves.
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As a ps5 future owner and fan of batman series (also buying all mortal kombat after price drop) I wouldn't be happy if microsoft would buy wb games (will probably consider to buy not only ps5 but also xbox then)
It's hypocritical and contradictory, not necessarily weird. Can't act on principal regarding MS buyout then hand-wave that when it's your preferred first party, means your initial stance isn't about ethical concerns it's your objection towards MS, using ethics as a proxy and arguing in bad faith. Your preference on company's game output dictating when to apply the contradiction isnt a valid point either. In terms of which company has more options for consumers to access their games now and into the future it's quite obvious.
They sell it because they need money. They wont shut down them.
Mortal Kombat should be multi-platform, whoever would buy them. And it will be good for all players.
Objection? Lol.
I only look at first-party line-up of both sides. Look is clear.
You dont know what options Sony will have in future so no, it isn't obvious.
Ofc what we know Sony isnt interested in WB purchase so its only hypothetical talk.
We can make reasonable assumptions based on how each have currently pivoted themselves, and what thier intentions are for the future. MS have committed to PC release parity of all first party titles, cross play/saves with everyone within the eco system, greater steam support and encourage customers to play away from thier consoles. That's happening right now, so it is obvious how open one wants to be compared to competition, and why they'd be better suited to acquire these studios compared to the other manufacturers.
If someone is going to buy them I would prefer if it was Take Two. I expect them to keep the structure largely intact.
Sony's looking at Leyou (Digital Extremes, Splash Damage, Certain Affinity, Radiance Games, Kingmaker, Athlon Games) presumably to shore up on their lacking multiplayer focused software front. Notably some of those devs are also key contractors for Xbox Game Studios on Halo and Gears.
Wonder is Google is interested? This would give them an instant first party studio network. I guess it depends how all-in on Stadia Google really is, still feels like they're only dipping their toe in the water at the moment.
Why do people keep saying this? Why do people want this? KI and NRS fighters play totally different to one another. What makes people think NRS is capable of developing Killer Instinct and not just MK/Injustice with KI characters?
I'm not sure if Take-Two has any major mobile gaming presence, and that's 40% of WB's studios' focus.
I think MK vs KI would be the franchise crossover that NRS could do in their NRS version. Iron Galaxy or some other studio could do a KI vs MK years afterwards in the KI way.
I would be ok with them directing the story side of things...but please stay away from gameplay.
They also don't seem to do PC development which has long been annoying for PC players. And as a result of that, RIP crossplay.
When this was first reported Microsoft wasn't among the interested parties a month ago. Now they are in the running. Microsoft sees value here so you have made some miscalculation in what their priorities are.
Frankly everything you said is valid so I'm not sure why MS is interested but if I was to guess I think they would continue to operate the WB IP's as multiplatform like Minecraft. But setting aside Mortal Kombat and Batman I think securing exclusivity makes a ton more sense for any studio investment.
I do not want NRS anywhere near KI. Maybe for a crossover with MK but developing a standalone KI game, NO Thank you!
I don't know but it's definitely a theme here, the thought of NRS building a new KI makes my stomach churn..they're a great group of people but I just cannot fathom KI with that type of gameplay and animation..nor would I want to. I'm guessing it's as simple as 'well they're a fighting game developer' and because NRS is given a massive budget for MK the production quality is hard to ignore and the games sell like Call of Duty.
Seriously who the hell wants Killer Instinct with those MK animations ffs
Whoever it is better give me a Thundercats game. Whether it's a Tcats X He-man hero fighter or a Horizon like open world on Third Earth, I don't care. Just give me!
I dunno..maybe cause every single fighting game they've made since 2004 has used the exact same basic animation and gameplay philosophy?
MS don't actually have a fighting game developer so it's just that really, they would fit in nicely on that empty chair I think. But even if they wouldn't make the game they could still be a useful resource, like how Turn 10 help Playground make the Horizon games.
Not selling is probably the best outcome possible for the team. The unit is not a money sink, if it doesn't get sold it's not shutting down.
AT&T wants the cash, but if they can't get the cash they want things will go along just as they have been.
True, but those are their own IPs from scratch made with their own style. I would expect/hope if they were to pick up an existing IP with it's own gameplay conventions and feel they would be savvy enough to try to stay true to those.
I can be completely wrong. I'm making assumptions based on info I know....which is a lot less than the execs. So who knows. Maybe they see all those support studios replacing the outsourcing. Maybe they have a bold plan to evolve their internal support studios. On the surface, I see 3 talented studios, 1 major IP and a lot of employees who don't fit needs. Doesn't make sense for 4 billion dollars.
Microsoft's current biggest gap in turning Game Pass into the Netflix of gaming is more tent-pole IPs with mainstream mindshare and more creatives. You need high level artists, writers, lead designers, etc to successfully reboot IPs or make new ones. Otherwise you need major IPs that have established foundation. You can fill in gaps of developers/coders through outsourcing.
It just seems like with buying WB, you get a small proportion of creatives to overall headcount and not much in the way if IP. But again...I don't know what the Xbox vision of the future is for structure and processes.
That's not how this works. Any competent dev can make PC games. MS first party studios have long since pivoted from Console only to console + PC
Yeah I hear you, of course I'd hope they would 'start from scratch', do all the right things, consult with Ken Lobb, KI fgc guys etc.. My concern is KI's mechanics, animation, gameplay, meta are just so fundamentally different from MK (and every fighter NRS has done the past 16 years) that I'm not sure they are even capable of doing KI justice...even if they are willing and get the huge budget they do for MK.
Not to mention all of NRS fighters sell like hot cakes so it's not like they think they're doing anything 'wrong'.
I'm more inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt in this hypoyhethical situation after some of the huge improvements they have made over the years. They were still selling in big numbers with ugly models with "NRS face" and and horrible netcode, but are near top of class there for both now. I have my gripes about NRS, but I think they are capable. My concern would be if they were bought out and asked to work on a fighter that wasn't their original game if they would want to, but they wouldn't really have much choice in that case.
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Apologies if this has been brought up already but AT&T owners of Time Warner release their Q2 results on July 23 the same date as the Xbox games reveal.
Coincidence or is there something in this?
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Coincidence or is there something in this?
AT&T to Release Second-Quarter 2020 Earnings on July 23
The company's second-quarter 2020 results will be announced on Thursday, July 23 with a conference call to follow.
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Its a coincidence for sure, I highly doubt we will hear about WB games until a buyer has been found or not been found by the internal deadline for the sale.Apologies if this has been brought up already but AT&T owners of Time Warner release their Q2 results on July 23 the same date as the Xbox games reveal.
Coincidence or is there something in this?
AT&T to Release Second-Quarter 2020 Earnings on July 23
The company's second-quarter 2020 results will be announced on Thursday, July 23 with a conference call to follow.
C'mon man how is 1% of 5% of all Android users on Xcloud + Gamepass reasonable? It's one thing to download an app but to assume a constant subscription for even 1% of all Android devices? No way...try 0.05 - 0.10% instead.
Apologies if this has been brought up already but AT&T owners of Time Warner release their Q2 results on July 23 the same date as the Xbox games reveal.
Coincidence or is there something in this?
AT&T to Release Second-Quarter 2020 Earnings on July 23
The company's second-quarter 2020 results will be announced on Thursday, July 23 with a conference call to follow.
Coincidence. I wouldn't look too much into it.
MS is like. Discount on Azure AT&T? :P
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AT&T and Microsoft announce a strategic alliance to deliver innovation with cloud, AI and 5G - Stories
Multiyear collaboration will accelerate AT&T’s “public cloud first” internal transformation and deliver new customer offerings built on AT&T’s network and Microsoft’s cloud DALLAS and REDMOND, Wash. — July 17, 2019 — AT&T Communications and Microsoft Corp. are embarking on an extensive...
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lolMS is like. Discount on Azure AT&T? :P
AT&T and Microsoft announce a strategic alliance to deliver innovation with cloud, AI and 5G - Stories
Multiyear collaboration will accelerate AT&T’s “public cloud first” internal transformation and deliver new customer offerings built on AT&T’s network and Microsoft’s cloud DALLAS and REDMOND, Wash. — July 17, 2019 — AT&T Communications and Microsoft Corp. are embarking on an extensive...