There's no locker tight and smelly enough for the people who are harassing voice actors on twitter because Vic is a creep.
Fire these people into the sun.
Fire these people into the sun.
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Vic Mignogna Lawsuit |OT| Hold My Beard (Update: Appeal lost, Mignogna must pay attorney fees to defendants)
- Thread starter Sibersk Esto
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Funny thought that entered my head, but in the new DB movie Broly actually attacked someone for skeeving on a girl.
Broly respects women more than Vic.
Broly respects women more than Vic.
New Broly's too kindhearted for Vic. He'll probably end up being the kind of character Vic will lambast as he inevitably tries to cater towards the alt-right for a shred of positive reinforcement (See: Louis CK).
It's going to be really meta if OG Broly keeps Vic's voice while Super Broly has a new VA for FighterZ.
There's enough shithead anime fans for Vic to get a fanbase, but the companies won't support it so he won't be getting voice roles.
The weird reality of anime conventions is that, despite what online anime discourse tends to suggest, dub VAs tend to pull in way bigger audiences and autograph queues than all but a handful of Japanese creators or voice actors - I've been to some hilariously empty panels from some fairly major Japanese industry figures over the years.
Presumably there's just this whole trench of fandom that doesn't really intersect with what a lot of people consider the primary vectors for anime discussion.
This separation of demographics is very real. My group of friends are in the section that only cares about Japanese guests and will spend big money on them (around $300-500 per person across the concerts at AX last year) plus a few hundred more on concert merchandise. But we're also only a few hundred people across the entire North America and we basically know each other. And that's not including the section of the group that makes regular trips to Japan. I think a lot of the group likely feels more kinship with Asian anime fans than they do with North American anime fans.
We generally look at dub actors like Vic as much needed magnets that draw away younger/more casual fans away from the guests we're interested in. But if a con only has dub actors/no big name japanese guests/singers, a lot of us will completely ignore the convention's existence.
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Unfortunately, as is the case with any person with an adherent following, I feel like many of his 'hard-core' fans are blinded by devotion, regardless of what he's done. If they didn't care about his actions then, they're probably in it to win it now. Even worse is the handful associating with, ahem, the anti-SJW, political correctness obliteration squad. Plus, there's just a large and very vocal Qrow following.
At the end of the day, unremitting defenders you can't reason with come with the territory; the best one can do is stand by the victims and take people like Vic out of the ring while safely circumventing any harmful fallout. People need to acknowledge that consequences can await horrid behavior and attitudes, that they should be kicked for it, and that what may have been enabled before has no tomorrow.
Automatically retro-tainting what we hold precious sure is a magpie on the eye. I watched FMA subbed but then went on to the dub later, actually, but while Ed may never be the same after this for many, everyone loved Ed for many reasons. In time it may become easier to hold onto those in its own respect, it may not. Being upset is unfortunately but inevitably a valid response. Yet still, the series and its main hero will always be great for where they accomplished and not where they faltered, and that is no vice.
Oh, yeah, I totally feel you on this - I'm pretty sure we are probably in some of the same Line groups about this stuff (I think I've somehow done VIP at every single AWM show on US soil despite being from Europe www)
I'm legit curious as to how Bamco/Funi are gonna handle that. If DBS Broly is meant to launch this year then his VA has almost certainly been recorded already (the VA for the S1 DLC was recorded in tandem with the launch roster according to sources) so I wonder if they'll re-record it to avoid controversy or just try sneaking it in under the radar and hope that no one notices or cares.
It wouldn't be to costly to rerecord with a new VA and they certainly have the time to do so.
Releasing Broly voiced by Vic in June-ish would be pretty bad optics.
Not trying to dismiss the victims by talking about this, because lets be clear, the important part of this story isn't broly more so the people vic has hurt. My heart goes out to the victims and I believe them and I hope vic's creepy seemingly socieopathic ass can stay far away from cons and VA work
Who do you think should replace him
Who do you think should replace him
I don't really follow VAs close enough to have many suggestions.
Ian Sinclair might work, he has some surprising range.
If they're cool with double-dipping on VAs I think that Matt Mercer (Hit) plays the "gentle giant" archetype really well and has a great yelling voice to boot.
If they wanted to bring in talent from outside of their current pool, then Grant George would fit the bill. His voice is a good middle ground between kind and intimidating.
Judging by the accuracy of that Kip Mangina video, Sean Schemmel would certainly work!
I was thinking matt. But honestly I want them to go deeper with broly's voice? I know they wont because, especially now they want the saiyans despite being 40+ and fathers of multiple children , want them to look super youthful even more youthful than before. But it would be interesting if they went with someone who could do a really low sort of growl for the gentle giant voice. I think it would fit the sort of barbarian look broly has going
I googled Grant George and I have two things
1) Why does he look like Not-Ben affleck
2) He sounds like one of those OG voice actors, like those really old ones. A lot of the clips I saw of him were from old shows too
That video is several years old , its weird. I wonder how many vidoes like that of them trying to communicate VIC is kind of an asshole, well not kind of.
I'm sure there were countless victims talking about him too, I'm sorry I didn't see you all
I can attest to this, however it's mixed for my local anime convention.
I've been attending Otakon non-stop since 2001 and I've seen large groups of people excited about the English dub guests who are invited to Otakon, and there's large groups of people excited about the Japanese/Korean/Asian guests that Otakon invites.
I personally know people who only goes to Otakon just for the Japanese/Korean/Asian guests, they completely ignore the English dub guests.
Ghost Stories was previously mentioned. Which reminds me. I had mentioned previously that aside from the episode where they call out Vic by name there's also the episode where he plays an evil spirit that captures young women, set them up to be hanged while painting their portrait and then killing them. The thing is, I had mentioned this before Monica had come forward and well, the episode had him preying on Monica's character which looks SO MUCH WORSE now.
In fairness there are probably quite a few people who would love to talk to the Japanese guests but don't speak a word of Japanese, and are concerned about the language barrier creating confusion or embarrassment.
Steve Blum.
Awhile back, I was kinda surprised Vic's voicing Broly, especially with all of Broly's screaming & such.
Funi hasn't issued a statement yet but more quietly replaced him on an upcoming dub.
Ooooh, so there is potential that he gets booted from Funi too. Good to know, thanks!
With so many Funi regulars, including many of the Dragon Ball cast, being against him at the very least it's unlikely they'll bring him back for any Dragon Ball stuff.
Sharing this from a poster on Kanzenshuu (I don't advise anyone to read much of the rest of that thread).
The guy is an aspiring voice actor. He was blacklisted from the industry for 3 years because of Vic.TVfan721 said:
Funi probably have to be quite careful depending on what contracts they have with him. Simply tearing up the contracts and giving him the boot could put them in a situation where Vic can sue them (and quite probably win) and end up getting more money than he otherwise would have. Funimation giving him a big payout, even on the end of a lawsuit, isn't good optics for them.
I suspect they'll follow an approach of quietly dropping him, paying whatever bare minimum they can to satisfy contracts (still not a great look to be paying him, but probably a better look than paying him significantly higher amounts), and then have nothing more to do with him.
I doubt they'll re-dub anything he's been in, including the Broly movie, but I certainly doubt they'll be using him going forward and will instead just re-cast any existing/ongoing roles.
Texas is one of those at work states( I'm probably saying it wrong but basically they can fire him for any reason besides the obvious ones (like gender/etc)) and they are non union. They can literally drop him. (Aka the downside of being non union)
Even in an at work state would it not depend on the specific terms of the written contract? So if a contract says "If we drop you for reasons other than X, Y and Z we will pay you what you would have been owed if we hadn't dropped you" could that person not then sue for breach of contract if they didn't get their payout?
More or less saying that to people who think that sexual assault has to be proven in a court of law to be true, that he should drop kick them in the face and tell them to prove it in a court of law or else it never happened.
You know, telling them their logic is flawed as fuck. Fuck its like nobody has ever heard of testimony being actual goddamned evidence.
tbh they don't need more eyes, and I really suggest we stop posting such vids. Guarantee there are people monitoring the thread who would agree with said videos so posting them helps no one we want to help, really. But it's something alright...
They probably still have a contract with Vic for FighterZ, but I'd expect him to be recast whenever Super comes back. If there is no contact, Funimation may have enough time to swap him out before Canon Broly is released.
Over at VIZ, they're probably close to done with the JoJo Part 4 dub internally. Unless VIZ dubs Thus Spoke Rohan Kishibe for the Blu-Ray release, the most likely scenario would be to have Vic wrap up whatever lines he has left for Rohan & wash their hands clean of him. I'd prefer him to at least be recast for said Blu-Ray release, but I'd imagine that contract are in play.
Ahh, thank you. I had a discussion where my SO (who I don't think has seen the extent of accusations) said it should be taken to court and it's like... pretty naive to think courts solve everything. Not to mention a lot of the accusations aren't things that are prosecutable and are him saying or doing douchy things to coworkers, staff at cons, etc. That more falls on the respective company's HR and PR divisions to figure out, which is why he's rightfully getting dropped from a lot of stuff.
I mean, like, the first video that came up when I clicked on his channel was him and a friend...vlogging themselves chasing street crime, for like an hour, in full tactical gear. And not like overtly "lol look at me cosplay!", But actually taking themselves quite seriously.
Just, y'know, wow...
Just, y'know, wow...
I agree. If you don't think something should be spread to other people, why spread it to other people?
Doesn't Funi work on a per project basis, not larger contracts?
And if there is a larger contract the fact that he sexually assaulted at least one VA that works with Funi is grounds to fire him.
I do agree that posting the videos really helps no one, because almost no one is going to bother to risk their algorithm (or sanity) on them. It really only helps lurkers who might be pro-Vic.
The most enlightening thing to come out of any of these kinds of videos is how long they frequently are. That first one that showed up that used the same "angry woman" stock photo all the alt right uses to indicate "SJW" was 42 minutes long. I know I occasionally watch some lengthy dumb shit on Youtube, but I cannot imagine who is watching videos that long just getting angry over imagined injustices and then running around calling everyone else reactionaries who exaggerate.
See, those are his professional credentials. If this was an actual injustice, he would be able to recognize it and take the matter into his own hands.
The most enlightening thing to come out of any of these kinds of videos is how long they frequently are. That first one that showed up that used the same "angry woman" stock photo all the alt right uses to indicate "SJW" was 42 minutes long. I know I occasionally watch some lengthy dumb shit on Youtube, but I cannot imagine who is watching videos that long just getting angry over imagined injustices and then running around calling everyone else reactionaries who exaggerate.
See, those are his professional credentials. If this was an actual injustice, he would be able to recognize it and take the matter into his own hands.
More accurately, it was saying how he was seeing a lot of "sexual assault claims are unfounded until proven in a court of law" claims and that he had a thought for them: he would kick a denier in the dick, then tell them to their face it never happened.