They're now sourcing their Trump fan deep dives publicly.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/14/reader-center/black-trump-voters-conservatives.html
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Actual NYT Headline: Kanye Has Faced Criticism for Being a Black Trump Fan. Can You Relate?
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I hear something coming from the garbage can
Oh
Oh yeah, it's the NYT just asking questions again.
Oh
Oh yeah, it's the NYT just asking questions again.
Putting aside the article for a second, I never cared for this type of criticism. Hard questions are at the core of good discussions. Seems so narrow-minded.
It would be nice if they were interested in hearing from literally anyone else other than the small percentage of Americans who will by their own admission never stop liking Trump
Haha, fuck off NYT.
I wish this whole thing could be over with but there's no going back to "normal" now.
I wish this whole thing could be over with but there's no going back to "normal" now.
Wondering why people like Trump isn't a "hard question," yet it's all NYT seems to care about. What good has come of it?
My previous post was more general, not on this topic specifically. Still, I think I'm missing something to understand the outrage here. We know the reasons not to like Trump, they're clear as the sky. Isn't their angle to hear from the hard-headed and try to find a way to counter their arguments?
No hostility, just looking for context.
I can only assume, understanding the other side's talking points would make it easier to set the facts straight and change their minds. But that's just assumption.
I have no issue with actual black conservatives. My problem is with the way being a black conservative is often used as a grift to impress white people, earn money/attention, etc. Candace Owens is a genuinely stupid person who doesn't have a grasp of even the most basic black political history....yet that's who gets put on a pedestal. It tells you everything you need to know about the motives at play.
I don't consider Kanye a black conservative. I doubt he gives a fuck about the balance of government and private markets, has much insight or interest in taxes, etc. There is no intellectual focus or basic thought at work here, this is moreso about celebrity, messaging, image, etc with a few random talking points mixed in.
I don't consider Kanye a black conservative. I doubt he gives a fuck about the balance of government and private markets, has much insight or interest in taxes, etc. There is no intellectual focus or basic thought at work here, this is moreso about celebrity, messaging, image, etc with a few random talking points mixed in.
What dumb fuck publications need to realise is most Black people probably are Conservative but do not vote Republican. They may as well put a piece as to why but they can fuck off with framing Kanye as a victim.
What happened to NYT? Were they always this awful or is this something post-election? I don't remember hearing about constant dumb stories like this a few years ago, yet now I see it often on Twitter and here.
Either way, it makes supporting the WP that much easier when the alternative (NYT) has turned to trash.
Either way, it makes supporting the WP that much easier when the alternative (NYT) has turned to trash.
"Just asking questions," references not asking questions in good faith.
Hard questions absolutely can lead to good discussions, when they're asked in good faith. This article, and conservative "skepticism" in general, are not asking questions in good faith.
At one point i would say their op/ed was at war with their journalism side, but now I think they want those conservative eyes that will never read them because they been demonized for too long
A person of color supporting Trump is like a LGBT person voting for Bolsonero when he and his family outright said they are going to kill them all in Brazil.
You know exactly what you'll get with no blinders but you hope and pray you'll be seen as "one of the good ones". And you're the same refuse they see us all as. Most of my relatives are black conservatives but not one is or has ever voted or identified as Republican.
You know exactly what you'll get with no blinders but you hope and pray you'll be seen as "one of the good ones". And you're the same refuse they see us all as. Most of my relatives are black conservatives but not one is or has ever voted or identified as Republican.
i'm guessing this is about half "we want that sweet conservative victim complex money" and half "white guys in positions of power who can't process that the republican party is a hate group are coping with their perpetual confusion at people around them treating the organization as fundamentally evil."
A lot of minorities actually are socially conservatives. Probably much more so than a lot of whites. But the GOP platform and actions are so toxic to minorities that most of use wisened up quickly.
It's really disturbing in hindsight how before the election, everyone thought Trump running for President was insane. Fast-forward to now and everyone is drinking that Kool-Aid.
