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AEW Dynamite |OT| Wednesday Nitro - Live on TNT, Wed. @ 8 ET
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Especially when a popular opinion was that NXT was going to beat AEW this week. NXT popped their rating but still fell short.
indie style wrestling is lit tho idk how people can not like it.
Last week was arguably the worst show and this one was still up.
Last week was arguably the worst show and this one was still up.
Yeah, why whatch the Young Bucks when you can have Mark Henry and Big Show bear hugging for 5 minutes.
Totes. And I think we just need to settle into the reality that there is the SD and RAW tier of mainstream wrestling on TV, and then there's the tier below that.
And that's fine.
but just look at the POWER of this raw specimens squeezing each other and see how they harness it in said squeeze
I'd lean to disagreeing here. My daughters have never watched wrestling before and have been watching Dynamite with me. They think Cassidy is fantastic, they're wanting to see what he can do in a "proper fight", and they reckon he'll be amazing when he takes his hands out of his pockets. I think he has the potential to appeal to a younger, casual audience, and the build so far has made him interesting. A little bit of him goes a long way though, so I think keeping him as an occasional guest at ringside or having the occasional match is ideal.
I don't know whether it factors into it or not, but I just noticed the NXT Twitter account has 1.2M followers, whereas AEW has half(ish) of that. Don't know how they increase that awareness, but I'm pretty sure if you correlate Twitter/social media awareness to ratings, then AEW is doing pretty damn well.
How that number grows even further though, I dunno.
How that number grows even further though, I dunno.
Yeah people didn't actually like Undertaker, Kane or Goldberg.
Come on.
Luchasaurus is the biggest guy on the roster and he's arguably the most over guy on the roster.
I'm not advocating to bring in any old big guys, I don't want any Great Khali types in AEW, people who can't actually walk, but if you can find some big guy as good as prime Undertaker or Kane on the indies then damn right I want AEW to scoop them up.
Both brands have to stay at the top of their game.
Which means we win as wrestling fans.
They are not gonna take Roman and Becky off the tour to do NXT.
You'll probably just see them hold off on things until two weeks from now.
Based on what, though? Wasn't last week their lowest rating? And that was during game 7 of the World Series. This week went up compared to that so they aren't exactly trending down towards 600k. They haven't been below 760,000-ish and that was against crazy competition. Even if it drops some, it's not crazy to give it some time. I mean, look at NXT. Their numbers weren't that impressive and now they jumped up 40% in one week. Granted, that's with a lot of WWE casuals tuning in after seeing some NXT guys first hand and wanting to see what the show is all about but still. NXT was around that 600k mark a few weeks ago, now they're practically pulling ahead. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it went back and forth into 2020. But I do think both shows will trend up from this point, not down.
This.
My son (11)started not liking AEW because it was too bloody for him. As the weeks have gone by, he's been watching a bit and he totally loves OC to the point that he make-believe wrestles with me and says: " Dad, here comes the chop!" and he does the exact same thing that OC does.
I still think that even though WWE pushed their panic button, and still couldn't beat Dynamite, goes to show you that AEW is in a very good place right now. People still forget that in the eyes of most casual viewers all these wrestlers are new, and people have been conditioned for decades that wrestlers are big and bulky. So when they see smaller wrestlers doing flips and crazy moves, they don't know what to think so some of them leave to the known entity which is WWE. People are afraid of change, and that's true even for wrestling.
AEW has been a victim of their success in a lot of ways. In 2019, if you debut with insta sell outs and draw 1.4 million on your debut show, it's only down from there. If they started with where they're at now, they would still be doing better than many thought possible but without the perception that the product is tanking.
Maybe you're being facetious with the millions of fans thing, but I'm not sure they ever quite said that. I DO think they are drawing a lapsed fan audience because there hasn't seemed to be a ton of crossover between their audience and WWE. I think this is another place where people's expectations are out of wack. The attitude era was 20 years ago. Most of those lapsed fans are now in their 30s and 40s, many of whom grew up and aren't interested in any wrestling anymore because they're not in middle school anymore. There clearly seems to at least be a solid audience that's interested in this product from those remaining. The bigger issue is that for 20 years, wrestling has sucked and an entire generation never got into it in the first place. When I was in middle school, literally every kid was watching wrestling. From the looks of things, that demographic has little interest in wrestling now. WWE killed wrestling in the US.
Maybe you're being facetious with the millions of fans thing, but I'm not sure they ever quite said that. I DO think they are drawing a lapsed fan audience because there hasn't seemed to be a ton of crossover between their audience and WWE. I think this is another place where people's expectations are out of wack. The attitude era was 20 years ago. Most of those lapsed fans are now in their 30s and 40s, many of whom grew up and aren't interested in any wrestling anymore because they're not in middle school anymore. There clearly seems to at least be a solid audience that's interested in this product from those remaining. The bigger issue is that for 20 years, wrestling has sucked and an entire generation never got into it in the first place. When I was in middle school, literally every kid was watching wrestling. From the looks of things, that demographic has little interest in wrestling now. WWE killed wrestling in the US.
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WWE annoys the fuck out of me but I love the idea of wrestling. I used to occcasionally watch NJPW and go to indies, but now I watch AEW every week and go to local wrasslin once a month. AEW dragged me in.
I suppose I should try NXT, esp as some aussie indies i used to watch have joined, but you couldn't pay me to sit through RAW
I suppose I should try NXT, esp as some aussie indies i used to watch have joined, but you couldn't pay me to sit through RAW
I don't sense that there's an overall perception that it's tanking.
You are 100 percent right that WWE killed the popularity of wrestling in the US.
I don't think it's the overall perception, but it seems to be a common take, which I don't know if it's people who have just been waiting for any opportunity for a "gotcha," or what.
Cross-posting it from the OT
Quarter hour viewership breakdown for NXT vs. AEW. NXT actually was beating them the second half of the night, but AEW opened higher.
I consider myself a lapsed fan, in a sense.
I stopped watching WWE regularly four years ago but kept up with news and checked out the odd match or angle whenever they accidentally did something good then dropped it completely a couple of years ago. Only thing I've searched out since was that awful HIAC match last month.
I subscribed to the network for Takeovers but the realisation that NXT Takeover was as good as it was ever gonna get for my faves killed my desire to watch NXT, that + not wanting to give money to Vince anymore. It's not a true alternative if Vince is getting my money for it.
I eventually discovered NJPW a little over a year ago with one of the Kenny/Okada matches and ended up seeking out more stuff then All In happened and then AEW.
AEW is the only weekly TV show I watch now.
I tired Powerrr but the roster sucks and y'know Cornette. Not for me. I also tried the new season of Beyond Wrestling and while it's a show I enjoy, I find I'm forcing myself to watch it rather than craving it like I do AEW so I'm dropping it at the end of this month. I also just don't need to see GCW guys more than twice per month either.
Weekly AEW, two GCW shows per month + NJPW when they're not doing putting on nothing shows, is enough wrestling for my tastes.
I stopped watching WWE regularly four years ago but kept up with news and checked out the odd match or angle whenever they accidentally did something good then dropped it completely a couple of years ago. Only thing I've searched out since was that awful HIAC match last month.
I subscribed to the network for Takeovers but the realisation that NXT Takeover was as good as it was ever gonna get for my faves killed my desire to watch NXT, that + not wanting to give money to Vince anymore. It's not a true alternative if Vince is getting my money for it.
I eventually discovered NJPW a little over a year ago with one of the Kenny/Okada matches and ended up seeking out more stuff then All In happened and then AEW.
AEW is the only weekly TV show I watch now.
I tired Powerrr but the roster sucks and y'know Cornette. Not for me. I also tried the new season of Beyond Wrestling and while it's a show I enjoy, I find I'm forcing myself to watch it rather than craving it like I do AEW so I'm dropping it at the end of this month. I also just don't need to see GCW guys more than twice per month either.
Weekly AEW, two GCW shows per month + NJPW when they're not doing putting on nothing shows, is enough wrestling for my tastes.
Thanks for posting this. I guess we just need a show of Cody, Jericho, Moxley, PAC, and Kenny stuff. Basically, mostly ex WWE guys.
It's at least good to know that they're still STARTING with 950,000+ people, but they're just not keeping them.
A shame about the Dark Order match, as I enjoyed it a fair bit. They're clearly not clicking enough though with that much of a loss in viewers. Same with Shida vs. Shanna last week. Big time 100,000+ people tuning out.
Well, plenty of work to do. Can't believe more people didn't tune out of that shitty NXT women's match.
AEW is still building its base.
You figure with this week, Vince is going to make Raw/SD wrestlers appear on NXT constantly now.
Anyway, AEW needs to keep focusing on AEW and see what's working and what's not. I'm sure Tony is all over this.
They are.
Dave says that they changed PAC vs. CIMA because the Best Friends do good 18-49 numbers so they wanted Trent in that spot instead
That's very reassuring, actually.
I can't wait for Luchasaurus to come back. You have to figure he's going to be a good 18-49 draw as well. He's got a cool factor about him, and he's a big well-toned dude. Very video gamey and not in a forced and cheesy "hello fellow kids" way.
To me, that seems like an example that maybe these quarter hour things aren't all that good a gauge of what is quality. I have a hard time making a deal out of week-to-week rating trends, let alone breaking it done by TV show segment.
That's very good to hear they're being smart and deliberate about this.
I'm sure they're aware stuff like Dark Order and long/slower pace women's matches with no build are bleeding 2nd hour viewers pretty badly. It's gonna be a balance of what's good for ratings vs staying true to their personal vision.
I like indie style. But then again I was basically hooked back to wrestling thanks to the X-division. A lot of people I know when they think about wrestling they think about goldberg or Lesnar or undertaker.
Now, I think more variety would benefit AEW. I'm not saying they should start looking for 7 feet tall people, but if the Revival will ever get there they would bring a different style and approach that could only be good for the already good tag division. Or more power houses for example. Or someone with a style more focuses on suplexes and submissions
Stuff like that.
"Hello darkness my old friend"
I always think of Ian too when I see Joey 😊
I don't understand White Claw, but I really want to try it.
Doubt it'll ever be in Australia.
What was a shitshow, the NBA or the promo?
'But. But they are tanking because they aren't as high as they started!'
Considering TNT paid for the rights to AEW expecting 350k-500k viewers, meaning that is what the network has budgeted for and wants yet all I have read since Tha ratings came out yesterday is doom and gloom.
Getting really frustrating coming into the aew threads to read about the show, only to be greeted by countless posts from people complaining about something being bad when that's not how things work and it's doing better than the network hoped for.
Yeah, I'm trying to keep positive and just enjoy the show because it's been great. It's just disappointing that they've dropped by nearly 40% from their first ep.
That said, they're well over TNT's expectations, which is good, and they're apparently doing well in Canada and the UK from the reports that have been made available.
I hope live attendance figures stay up too, though. I never want AEW to turn into a TNA situation.
Try not to let it bother you, honestly. It is craziness.
A lot of the people watching the first episode we're never going to stick around because they're people who only watched the first episode purely because it's the first of a new thing.
They had no intention in coming back regardless of quality, especially the WWE stans.
It seems like 800k is the area they're going to hang around and that's fine, big success in TNT's book. Which is what matters most.
They had no intention in coming back regardless of quality, especially the WWE stans.
It seems like 800k is the area they're going to hang around and that's fine, big success in TNT's book. Which is what matters most.
I appreciate you for being a real one and keeping it cool in all Wrestling discussion I see you wade into.
It's alcoholic Seltzer water. Basically more carbonated sparkling water that's sweet, fruity tasting and has an alcohol content high enough that it sneaks up on you if you're not watching how much you drink. I had some at a Halloween party recently while taking to other AEW fans I had just met that night. All of us drinking claws and talking about Joey Janela. He'd have been proud.
They had never watched GCW before so I was telling them about the ultraviolence but also how goofy Spring Break shows are.
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I quit wrestling Twitter yesterday, friends. This place is more sane and doesn't negatively impact my mental health.
Smart decision. I followed you and saw some of the dust ups you would Wade into a while back. Was like... man, I'd rather deal with Violet and their takes because at least i know there's enough common ground there to make nice once in a while.
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