After Anti-Semitic Killings, Jersey City School Official Called Jews ‘Brutes’
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Agreed. The real response to the ways in which the black community has been taken advantage of historically is pure cash reparations.
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Hey ya'll... I live in Jersey City - there have been a lot of problems with the Hasidic community moving in where they did in the last few years. They engaged in a lot of VERY aggressive behaviors, particularly towards the black community that have made that part of the city their home for generations.
If you're from the NY area, you've heard the stories and seen the coverage about how families arrive in a community and start to force people out - through multiple tactics. They have a legacy of not caring about anyone but their own families and community.
That doesn't mean they should be killed and murdered, or anything that happened.
Joan's an idiot - she shouldn't have used that platform, at this time to address her grievances... and the bottom part of her message is abhorrent, but a lot of what she says has happened down there is true.
If you're from the NY area, you've heard the stories and seen the coverage about how families arrive in a community and start to force people out - through multiple tactics. They have a legacy of not caring about anyone but their own families and community.
That doesn't mean they should be killed and murdered, or anything that happened.
Joan's an idiot - she shouldn't have used that platform, at this time to address her grievances... and the bottom part of her message is abhorrent, but a lot of what she says has happened down there is true.
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It is truly, truly shocking. This line is absolutely insane:
"Are we brave enough to explore the answer to their message?"
Imagine a schoolboard official saying that about the Tree of Life shooter.
Yeah I’m pretty sure she’s advocating for genocide when she says that. Right?
Reads that way to me. Yet you already have someone in here defending her.
No one's defending genocide in here - or defending her stupid comments at the bottom of the note.
What I will defend is her depiction of what's happened in the Greenville section of the city in the last 3-4 years. And how do I know? I live there - I've seen it.
You have a group of people that have moved in, en masse... and they are systematically trying to force people out of that area of the city so they can create an enclave, like they did in Brooklyn and parts of New Jersey. They defund schools, manipulate local welfare systems, and harass and threaten people to sell their homes, and when they refuse, they make your life a living hell with their private police and enforcers. It happens, trust me on this one.
So no one is defending Joan for being a fucking idiot and inciting shitty, dubious, threatening language. She should do what she can, and challenge them where she can, on legal grounds and on points of community life - and down the road... there's no need for it now.
So you are saying the Jews are coming in and ruining your hometown? I am not distrusting what you are saying, but are there some news articles that give an objective view to the harm they are causing and how it directly affects the black community?
She's lumping in all Jews with the right wing Hasidic community, which just isn't the case.
The Hasidic community doesn't consider any Jews who are not Hasidic "Jewish", so they pretty much have a problem with everybody who isn't "them", not just the black community. They suck. All extremists do.
The Hasidic community doesn't consider any Jews who are not Hasidic "Jewish", so they pretty much have a problem with everybody who isn't "them", not just the black community. They suck. All extremists do.
Hasidics are a tiny percentage of American Jews. So even if you remove all of the blatantly bigoted things she said, she's still a bigot anyway.
Won't agree with what she says or how she's going about it. She ain't exaggerating however with the way the Hasidic community(or a portion of them I guess, I can't really say to speak so generally) strong arm their way into neighborhoods from my own experiences. Guess I'm just surprised to see it brought up again with how its been looked over over these years.
This should be printed on t-shirt. It was basically the post 9-11 history.
This is a fair assessment:
https://www.njtvonline.org/news/vid...ey-city-neighborhood-raising-hopes-and-fears/
Which includes this section:
Here's a boilerplate for the tactic:
- Someone rings your doorbell and asks if you'll sell, you say no.
- They do it day, after day, multiple times a day, you still say no.
- Then they say "we'll buy the house next to you and ruin it, so your property values will come down and you will be stuck here and can never sell. You should sell to us."
- Then you finally offer to sell. Let's say $200,000 for the place.
- They say "Sell for $90,000" or we'll make things difficult.
The pressure tactics are incredible - and they are relentless in their approach, and they do it to significant amounts of people.
And AGAIN... this is no excuse for murder, genocide... any of that. And her tone is awful, her words are vile and she should probably be voted out next time we have a chance (we just did board elections in the fall).
Was given a chance to apologize and step away from a self made cliff, she doubled-down on the comments. I'm sure that will go well for her.
How would the threat of lowering property values work when they are offering so much less than the actual value?
“If you don’t sell me this house for $90,000 I will cause your $200,000 house to be worth slightly less!”
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Yep, this sounds absolutely awful, and I don't think you are trying to make excuses for her. The problem here was her attempt at conflation between the two situations.
If all you have is your home - a home that's been passed down a generation or two - and literally the value of that home is the difference of a good life or a life of struggle somewhere else, then that difference is the world.
1000% - she's an idiot for taking this moment in time and trying to latch a larger grievance to it. More harm than help for her cause.
Here is a This American Life story I remember.
Her comments were absolutely disgusting, completely trash comments.
Now there is an issue on the behavior of some hasidic jews who employ tactics to harass homeowners. People don't want their towns to end up like Lakewood, NJ but on the other hand you have a town like Highland Park, NJ with a large hasidic population and there are no issues. It's a complicated issue but those comments are not the way to go about addressing them.
Now there is an issue on the behavior of some hasidic jews who employ tactics to harass homeowners. People don't want their towns to end up like Lakewood, NJ but on the other hand you have a town like Highland Park, NJ with a large hasidic population and there are no issues. It's a complicated issue but those comments are not the way to go about addressing them.
this is when it's extremely important to avoid painting with a broad brush. just saying "Jews" or the "Jewish community" instead of focusing specifically on the members of the Hasidic community engaging in these behaviors is unacceptable regardless of anything else. super fucked up. happens all too often. it's also pretty clear that she doesn't actually give a shit because she was given an opportunity to clarify, apologize, re-contextualize, anything, and she did not. fuck her, is basically the gist of it. and she showcases for everyone to see she doesn't actually give a single solitary shit about what she's attempting to speak out against because she doubled down on her comments proving that this was more about displaying her own bigotry, whether that was a conscious or subconscious decision, rather than actually address a legitimate issue. her bigoted views were more important to her than the issue she's hiding behind to justify her bigotry.
What is all that conspiracy theory shit in that post? I’m getting a headache.
yea this sucks. Seems like these communities need to discuss these issues so that they don’t boil over like this.
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This is one of the dumbest things I've read all week.
I'm not a fan of the relative double standards Hasids get or the history of exploitation between the Hasidic and Black community when it comes to property either, I don't see how you can let that bleed over to anti-Semitism. At the end of the day, it's the State failing to protect Black communities and they get to have Hasidics take all the heat.
I'm not a fan of the relative double standards Hasids get or the history of exploitation between the Hasidic and Black community when it comes to property either, I don't see how you can let that bleed over to anti-Semitism. At the end of the day, it's the State failing to protect Black communities and they get to have Hasidics take all the heat.
Yeah these posts are disgusting. Can you please not make sweeping statements about an entire population of orthodox Jewish people?
You have both made defamatory comments about all Hasidic people because of the actions of a few Hasidic community members.
This is fear mongering and textbook anti-Semitism. Please stop.
Thanks for sharing that. Read the prologue and hooked me. Interesting story and I already have some strong opinions based off what I've read so far. Curious how my opinions evolve as I get into the meat of the story.
Well can you explain how they are anti-Semitic? Not everyone posts in bad faith.
I’d like to see that explanation too. In this context, it seems the posters were very clearly referring to the conduct of this specific community, in this specific neighborhood, in this specific city. Not speaking about any group broadly or otherwise beyond that context.
If this wasn’t specific enough, please present how best for those posters to discuss this issue and the problem people in question.
Yup, pretty much. I'm sure the gentrification she is talking about in her area is bad, and the treatment of the black community is also bad, but that doesn't justify trafficking in anti-Semitic tropes and blaming Jews.
Which ultimately results in the murder of Jews. So yeah, I would say this language is problematic and attacking an entire group of people for the perceived issues of a subgroup is also an issue.
It's all fucking dogwhistling. "I wasn't attacking Jews, it was Hasidics" or "I wasn't attacking Jews, it was Israel" Meanwhile Jews are still being beaten and murdered coast to coast and across the world.
Eh, the Hasidic community in NYC has serious issues with both racism and anti-Semitism against non Hasids, that includes literal hate crimes perpetrated on black people in those neighborhoods. Discussing those issues specific to this community in this area is not anti-Semitic.
I'm Jewish and used to live in NYC and this is absolutely true.
Uh...there actually isn't any dog-whistling going on in that Facebook post, it's pretty blatant anti-Semitism. She directly says "Jews with their bags of money", can't get much more upfront than that. Not sure why you brought in specific criticisms of Israel or Hassidic community behavior into this discussion like this.
So what’s the story behind all of this? What’s up in NYC?
Very simple: don't make sweeping statements about any group of people, period.
The first poster was commenting about how NY Hasidic Jews care only about themselves and no one outside their community. That is a sweeping comment made about 330,000 people.
The second poster was commenting about how ALL Hasidic Jews "suck" because they "have a problem" with "everybody who isn't them". That is a sweeping comment made about ~2m people.
If you don't see how that is problematic, then I can't help you. I am not going to comment further or defend myself on why these are offensive to me.
You might wanna ask the poster I quoted above you, who is both Jewish and lives in NYC and has seen this issues firsthand, I'm certainly no expert on the subject outside of knowing it's an issue and knowing of a few instances of hate crimes against black people.
The Hassidic community in NYC uses their own extralegal 'community police force' that has ties to the NYPD. This group has done things like attack black people in a mob for simply walking through their neighborhood (one gay black man was rendered blind in one eye from the beating he recieved from them, which was all caught on video). Then when the case was being investigated by the NYPD, the community threw this one Hasidic guy under the bus who was not involved in the beating in order to protect their community police force from the law. And that's just one instance I'm aware of, there are others.
Literally listened to people calling in a radio program (with the shooting as the topic) where people who self identified as Hasidic said they feel they are the focus of these anti-semitic attacks and some did it in a pretty douchy way that downplayed the victimization of other jews. Maybe you should spread the word among those you do know that some of their group sees themselves very differently from other Jews.
Fair enough, I get your point. One can discuss these issues without making sweeping generalizations against all Hassidic people. The issues they are discussing ARE real though.
I can't speak for everyone but in my own experiences I've never had issues with them in my neighborhood in Brooklyn. Even when I walk through their neighborhoods I never got any kind of looks or anything. The only interaction I've had with Hasidic Jews was one asking me directions, and another liking a Spider-Man hoodie I had. Aside from that we just be on our way.
I see. After reading a bit of the American Life article, I can see how these things can create strong influence which can lead to drama, inaction, and lack of accountability.
Current convo seems pretty focused around real issues in a community concerning a specific group in a specific area. I assume you’re good with that, yes?
The Jew, an easy target even for people playing pretend-progressive. "Oh yeah, uh. People got killed I know and It's not their fault but it's totally their fault man!"
Understand this, defenders of this asshole bigot...It's unimportant WHY you defend her, but you defend her by even trying to "switch the subject" when the topic is about people getting murdered. Even if your quarrel is with a specific subgroup of the Jewish faith that is clearly not what Joan was saying. She did a broad-stroke sweep.
Or shall we go. "Well it's a shame muslims got shot up by that white racist but you know ISIS is pretty bad..."
"Oh I know it's bad that a school got shot up and a dozen kids died by those Americans are pretty evil...".
Or, to do a little pop cultural quote: There is no version of this when you come out on top. (Let me hear the "Well I'm not defending her by trying to nuance why she advocated bigotry and genocide"...Please.)
Understand this, defenders of this asshole bigot...It's unimportant WHY you defend her, but you defend her by even trying to "switch the subject" when the topic is about people getting murdered. Even if your quarrel is with a specific subgroup of the Jewish faith that is clearly not what Joan was saying. She did a broad-stroke sweep.
Or shall we go. "Well it's a shame muslims got shot up by that white racist but you know ISIS is pretty bad..."
"Oh I know it's bad that a school got shot up and a dozen kids died by those Americans are pretty evil...".
Or, to do a little pop cultural quote: There is no version of this when you come out on top. (Let me hear the "Well I'm not defending her by trying to nuance why she advocated bigotry and genocide"...Please.)
This School Official did not really take the right way about airing her grievances and just comes off bigoted and rambling. The issues she had could have been placed in a more appropriate forum though I am not sure where that would be.
I was just thinking about this.
Yeah, check out the documentary One of Us. As a Jew, I can testify that these communities can be super toxic.