AI: The Somnium Files was review bombed on Metacritic (From 8.2 to 1.9 in 1 day)

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Kapryov

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Is there any reason to go Switch over PS4 for this game?
It's on sale on Switch, but I also have a Pro and a 4K TV. A lot of Switch games don't look fantastic on that... unless the game is that much better handheld?

Any performance issues with either option?
 

xero93

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Oct 25, 2017
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Is there any reason to go Switch over PS4 for this game?
It's on sale on Switch, but I also have a Pro and a 4K TV. A lot of Switch games don't look fantastic on that... unless the game is that much better handheld?

Any performance issues with either option?
Touchscreen is nice, but when I was playing, there were some annoying glitches (game stutters when loading scenes like flashbacks, had the game soft lock because of it once in a very dramatic scene). Dunno if they patched and fixed that though, and don't know if it's only the switch version.
 

Pascal

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Touchscreen is nice, but when I was playing, there were some annoying glitches (game stutters when loading scenes like flashbacks, had the game soft lock because of it once in a very dramatic scene). Dunno if they patched and fixed that though, and don't know if it's only the switch version.
It gets particularly bad towards the end when some of the big reveals start happening and it seems like the game pauses for a few seconds to load up a flashback every few lines of dialog. I think the Switch version is mostly fine outside of that though.
 

mindsale

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Shit move, but it’s worth noting that it’s the user reviews that are sabotaged, not the overall critical aggregate and main number displayed, and anyone who’s ever read a user review on Metacritic knows never to look at the user score ever again. It’s like the comments on a YouTube video. It means utterly nothing and it’s disappointing to see people disparage Metacritic’s actual critical consensus as if that’s the score being compromised. It isn’t.

Again, douchebag move to plummet the user review, but I believe in Metacritic’s actual critical aggregating.
 

Cisce

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Is there any reason to go Switch over PS4 for this game?
It's on sale on Switch, but I also have a Pro and a 4K TV. A lot of Switch games don't look fantastic on that... unless the game is that much better handheld?

Any performance issues with either option?
Switch performance is pretty bad for the game in general, plus it has some pretty frequent long load times too that aren't present on the other version, literally between lines of dialogue.

It's playable on Switch, and it's how I finished it because it's ultimately a VN, but I do wish that I played it on another platform instead.
 

Kapryov

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Touchscreen is nice, but when I was playing, there were some annoying glitches (game stutters when loading scenes like flashbacks, had the game soft lock because of it once in a very dramatic scene). Dunno if they patched and fixed that though, and don't know if it's only the switch version.
Switch performance is pretty bad for the game in general, plus it has some pretty frequent long load times too that aren't present on the other version, literally between lines of dialogue.

It's playable on Switch, and it's how I finished it because it's ultimately a VN, but I do wish that I played it on another platform instead.
Thanks guys. I think I might look at the PS4 version instead.
 

baggage

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Thankfully, we have learned that the reason AI : The Somnium files was review bombed was not a result of an angry group upset at the pro LGBT themes of the game, but instead a critique on Metacritic's lack of a decent review system. Does that give the person who created those accounts a pass for doing that? Most likely not. Will that person publicly admit what they did? i don't know.

As I posted before, post #128 has all the answers, though you really need to *ahem* read between the lines a bit to see what happened and who did it. I don't want to accuse anyone, and I want the unintended drama and hot takes that this situation has caused to subside, and regardless of the fact, I hope people enjoy AI: The Somnium files in their own way, As long as it's not destructive.
 
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Thankfully, we have learned that the reason AI : The Somnium files was review bombed was not a result of an angry group upset at the pro LGBT themes of the game, but instead a critique on Metacritic's lack of a decent review system. Does that give the person who created those accounts a pass for doing that? Most likely not. Will that person publicly admit what they did? i don't know.

As I posted before, post #128 has all the answers, though you really need to *ahem* read between the lines a bit to see what happened and who did it. I don't want to accuse anyone, and I want the unintended drama and hot takes that this situation has caused to subside, and regardless of the fact, I hope people enjoy AI: The Somnium files in their own way, As long as it's not destructive.
I am inclined to read the situation the way you are.
 

Blade Wolf

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I don't believe for a second that's the cause, there's no way so they are this anti-LGBT.

EDIT: Nevermind, after reflecting on GG's past I withdraw my judgement.
 
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muteKi

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I mean even if they did have some better verification against review spam, the corollary to this is what I've been saying for a while, that aggregated review scores are meaningless outside of any context besides the number itself.
 

Gradon

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I don't believe for a second that's the cause, there's no way so they are this anti-LGBT.

Most gators are shitheads but they are not necessarily anti-LGBT or even anti-diversity. From my experience they are mostly against the ''SJW'' more so than the ideology they support. Basically they hate the left but doesn't really hate what the left is rooting for.

They are really not the type of people that would review bomb a game to this degree just because it supports LGBT in one scene. There's got to be a different reason.
Is this sarcasm?
 

Kyuuji

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I don't believe for a second that's the cause, there's no way so they are this anti-LGBT.

Most gators are shitheads but they are not necessarily anti-LGBT or even anti-diversity. From my experience they are mostly against the ''SJW'' more so than the ideology they support. Basically they hate the left but doesn't really hate what the left is rooting for.

They are really not the type of people that would review bomb a game to this degree just because it supports LGBT in one scene. There's got to be a different reason.
The game wasn't review bombed around that - you can easily see that on the last page. Despite that you are still massively off the mark when it comes to GG and the general chuds out there not being anti-LGBT and diversity.
 
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I don't believe for a second that's the cause, there's no way so they are this anti-LGBT.

Most gators are shitheads but they are not necessarily anti-LGBT or even anti-diversity. From my experience they are mostly against the ''SJW'' more so than the ideology they support. Basically they hate the left but doesn't really hate what the left is rooting for.

They are really not the type of people that would review bomb a game to this degree just because it supports LGBT in one scene. There's got to be a different reason.
Are you high?
 

Gradon

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They are garbage, but they are not this aggressive. Certainly not with such wholesome and positive message in the game.

My point is, I don't really think that's the main reason why it's review bombed.
They really are that aggressive, though, and completely reprehensible. Like, they are absolutely deplorable to us LGBT folk at every step that they take.

I really don’t want to even address them, but when a game like Heartbeat promotes itself by mocking trans suicide, or Ion Fury refuses to patch out homophobic jokes whilst they get positive review bombed, you can never convince me otherwise.

Regardless if it were the reason or not AI was review bombed.
 

muteKi

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Most gators are shitheads but they are not necessarily anti-LGBT or even anti-diversity. From my experience they are mostly against the ''SJW'' more so than the ideology they support. Basically they hate the left but doesn't really hate what the left is rooting for.
While I think it's probably true that this instance of review bombing is not targeting AI because of a motivated dislike for the game, only someone with no idea of the history of the whole GG thing would think that it would be beyond them to review bomb a small game with a positive message about queer people
 

Blade Wolf

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They really are that aggressive, though, and completely reprehensible. Like, they are absolutely deplorable to us LGBT folk at every step that they take.

I really don’t want to even address them, but when a game like Heartbeat promotes itself by mocking trans suicide, or Ion Fury refuses to patch out homophobic jokes whilst they get positive review bombed, you can never convince me otherwise.

Regardless if it were the reason or not AI was review bombed.
While I think it's probably true that this instance of review bombing is not targeting AI because of a motivated dislike for the game, only someone with no idea of the history of the whole GG thing would think that it would be beyond them to review bomb a small game with a positive message about queer people
You know what? You're right, they can be very aggressive and I guess I was a bit too easy on them for a second.

However, my assumption was correct. The LGBT message is not the cause of the review bomb. As anti-LGBT as they can be, this doesn't anger them.
 

ghibli99

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Review bombing aside, I had no idea this game even existed, and I'm a big fan of 999 and VLR (not ZTD though...), but this looks great, so I'm going to give it a chance. Bought.
 

D-Man

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Sucks that this happened but I'm glad people are buying the game as a result now. This was easily my second favorite game of 2019. One section of the game had me crying harder than I ever cried from a video game before. Great stuff.
 

baggage

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How are some enjoying the game destructively?
Oh, because the person who review bombed the game is a huge fan of the characters A-Set and Ota. I can't say it's a reason it was review bombed is related to what happens to the characters in the game, but the person who review bombed the game needs to confess, I feel. I truly hope the person who review bombed the game confesses to what they did.
 

takoyaki

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I truly hope the person who review bombed the game confesses to what they did.
They pretty much already did, so whatever.

MC user scores are broken and pointless, so I get what they were going for. But using a small niche game with a positive LGBTQ+ message like AI to prove this point seems like a bad approach and will only harm sales of a good game instead of putting pressure on MC to get their act together.

Even if the person had genuine issues with the game, it would be nice if they decide to put in the same amount of effort in reversing that negative score before writing their "If I Did It".
 

Jockel

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It's kinda funny, my girlfriend was complaining to me about the game being pretty sexist. Plus I'm not exactly comfortable with how they approached the trans person, I remember it as well intentioned, yet unintentionally transphobic (stuff like "is really a man"), but my memory might be playing tricks on me.
 

luminous

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Thankfully, we have learned that the reason AI : The Somnium files was review bombed was not a result of an angry group upset at the pro LGBT themes of the game, but instead a critique on Metacritic's lack of a decent review system. Does that give the person who created those accounts a pass for doing that? Most likely not. Will that person publicly admit what they did? i don't know.

As I posted before, post #128 has all the answers, though you really need to *ahem* read between the lines a bit to see what happened and who did it. I don't want to accuse anyone, and I want the unintended drama and hot takes that this situation has caused to subside, and regardless of the fact, I hope people enjoy AI: The Somnium files in their own way, As long as it's not destructive.
Oh.......... Just remembered said users posting history in AI threads and connected the dots like...
The way they just silently admitted to it... The Crystar detail just really sells it lol this is just sad honestly. They apparently haven't even played the game... congrats on bumming out the game devs on some weird grudge I guess
 

Yasumi

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Thankfully, we have learned that the reason AI : The Somnium files was review bombed was not a result of an angry group upset at the pro LGBT themes of the game, but instead a critique on Metacritic's lack of a decent review system. Does that give the person who created those accounts a pass for doing that? Most likely not. Will that person publicly admit what they did? i don't know.

As I posted before, post #128 has all the answers, though you really need to *ahem* read between the lines a bit to see what happened and who did it. I don't want to accuse anyone, and I want the unintended drama and hot takes that this situation has caused to subside, and regardless of the fact, I hope people enjoy AI: The Somnium files in their own way, As long as it's not destructive.
Oh. OHHH! Wow, that’s hella pathetic.
 
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And now it's back from 82 userscore to 4.1.

Huh, just took a glance over user reviews' tab and there's only one person that gave it a zero since it have 153 negatives? That review system has to be broken or something.
 
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Strings

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As I posted before, post #128 has all the answers, though you really need to *ahem* read between the lines a bit to see what happened and who did it. I don't want to accuse anyone, and I want the unintended drama and hot takes that this situation has caused to subside, and regardless of the fact, I hope people enjoy AI: The Somnium files in their own way, As long as it's not destructive.
I mean, I did kinda consider that, but it seems too absurd, even if it lines up with a ton of shit.
 
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Oh.......... Just remembered said users posting history in AI threads and connected the dots like...
The way they just silently admitted to it... The Crystar detail just really sells it lol this is just sad honestly. They apparently haven't even played the game... congrats on bumming out the game devs on some weird grudge I guess
That person's posting history has stood out to me for a bit with very strange obsessive fixations about details of a game rubbing them the wrong way often followed by urgings to boycott the dev, so when you see that post... yeah...
 

Kyuuji

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Yeh, does seem sus as fuck that the person that magically pieced all the obscure points together, invested enough in 'correcting the reason' to post a comprehensive long post connecting all the tiny dots also happens to be a user posting complicated long posts about how much they hate the game including paragraphs like:
In short, if you're wondering how many of the (very few, mercifully.) games out there that have managed to make me genuinely furious due to how godawful it is, this is one of them. The fact the game deliberately goes out of it's way to ignore and otherwise destroy the cute promotional material they made managed to really piss me off.
🤔
 

Tambini

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As I posted before, post #128 has all the answers, though you really need to *ahem* read between the lines a bit to see what happened and who did it. I don't want to accuse anyone, and I want the unintended drama and hot takes that this situation has caused to subside, and regardless of the fact, I hope people enjoy AI: The Somnium files in their own way, As long as it's not destructive.
the criminal always returns to the scene of the crime..

bake him away, toys!
 

Zomba13

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Some people really are just fucking pathetic. GG dude. Hope you feel good review bombing a game and upsetting a Dev that worked hard.
 

Corallai

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So the person in this thread that clarified the situation in the first place.... WAS the review bomber, huh what even is happening lol.
 

hat_hair

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For anyone enjoying this thread, I'd recommend watching Perfect Blue. It's a pretty good film that you might find relevant.
 

Krvavi Abadas

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Some people really are just fucking pathetic. GG dude. Hope you feel good review bombing a game and upsetting a Dev that worked hard.
You might want to check the edit i added about 30 minutes ago. It provides a better explanation for why i did it.
Since this post is starting to get spread around (What baggage is saying is indeed the case.) because Uchikoshi himself linked the thread. I'd like to quickly note that this was not "done out of nowhere" like people are suggesting. It was specifically in response to the recent discourse of Warcraft 3 Reforged, becoming the "worst reviewed game on Metacritic". Which i found to be a bit ridiculous considering the countless cases of people similarly damaging review scores of perfectly good games (Reforged isn't even that bad of a remaster IMO, a lot of the "controversy" surrounding it is that they decided not to completely redo the cutscenes. Which they stated multiple times pre-release that they were scaling back on.)

The plan was to make a proper thread a few days after my tests were finished, demonstrating how you can easily turn any obscure game into one of the best or worst games of all time with just a few hours of work. Hence why i ended up archiving everything each step of the way. Anyone who's familiar with my previous threads (Or watched the Gamexplain video on Tomohiro Kawasae) knows i like doing investigative articles on Gaming, and this was going to be no different.

But Akira Okada ended up discovering that i had tanked the score for AI hours after i did it, and the whole story basically blew up from there.
To reiterate my thoughts on the game from previous threads. I loved most of the A-set videos and found them to be incredibly endearing, even developing a massive crush on her due to my general attachment issues. But i hated the actual game for how it basically ignores everything said videos were trying to build up, to the point that it
Takes Naixatloz, the proper antagonist of said videos. and tosses it aside by cruelly making them a hallucination caused by A-set having a brain tumor, with barely any foreshadowing. and even requires you to rip her fucking eye out yourself, as part of a bullshit "One of the Psync machines requires you to remove an eye!" plotline that other characters get to conveniently ignore, all part of a route that's specifically about her.
the protagonist being a unlikable asshole who's sole character trait is "hehe funny sex joke" + basically spends 90% of the game completely abandoning his adoptive daughter, and the fact that i personally find the storyline it uses instead to be complete and utter nonsense filled with plot holes and ridiculous logic.

I definitely feel pretty bad for Akira getting so upset over it though, especially considering that despite everything, he seems to be the person running the Japanese A-set account. Which still provides some of the cute idol content i enjoyed pre-release. Drawing little sketches of mythological figures and other fun things.

Honestly, if there's one takeaway you should get from this unfortunate situation i've gotten myself into. It's that A-set means a lot to me. Even though i hated how her game turned out, it still makes me really happy to see people doing things like creating fanart, and hopefully this encourages you (and Spike Chunsoft themselves, i really wish they'd make more videos!) to continue supporting her.

...Even it does end with you acquiring Somnium Files and actually enjoying it.
But yeah, i definitely understand why people are upset about what happened. Most of my issues with the game boil down to my unhealthy attachment to A-set, after all.

Hopefully this does at least cause Metacritic to finally fix their shit after years of similar incidents. That's the main thing i wanted to happen here.
 

Kyuuji

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You might want to check the edit i added about 30 minutes ago. It provides a better explanation for why i did it.

But yeah, i definitely understand why people are upset about what happened. Most of my issues with the game boil down to my unhealthy attachment to A-set, after all.

Hopefully this does at least cause Metacritic to finally fix their shit after years of similar incidents. That's the main thing i wanted to happen here.
Honestly, go fuck yourself. Unbelievably pathetic.
 
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