Aladdin (2019) - Grammys Teaser Trailer

Sep 12, 2018
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My problem with this is the lighting doesn't make any sense. It seems like the lighting in CG scenes are completely inconsistent with how the composited real world actors are lit.

Then you have genie which is will smiths face pasted n a CG body which looks really weird cuz the lighting conditions of both look off, but they are directly connected. Genies body is overly specular while smiths face is not. There seem to be discontinuities in shadows and reflections between all elements of the scene.

Also smiths mocap looks wrong. It's like the finer details of his movements were filtered out giving a serious uncanny valley feel to it.

TL;DR: Lights in CG are different from real actor lighting.



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Yan

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Oct 29, 2017
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Why get a A-lister like Will Smith if you are not going to show his face?
Will Smith is hardly an A lister today. But surely they could have modeled the face like him so you can still see his resemblance and mimicry but still keep it distinct enough to look less weird like they do in a lot of animation and games.
 

jett

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why does this shot look so good? Looks nothing like this in the trailer.
The YouTube trailer is really low quality. It says 1080p but the source file is really 798p. Then again I don't know if seeing the Genie more clearly would actually help.
 
Oct 27, 2017
770
Eh, it looks a little wonky, but I’ll be open to it. This internet rage that goes on with new stuff getting released is wearing pretty thin, I think everyone should just chill
 
Nov 21, 2017
785
The more I see of this movie, the worse it looks. Also, is it just me, or does the set design, costume design, and CGI all look incredibly cheap and tacky?
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,020
Minneapolis
My problem with this is the lighting doesn't make any sense. It seems like the lighting in CG scenes are completely inconsistent with how the composited real world actors are lit.

Then you have genie which is will smiths face pasted n a CG body which looks really weird cuz the lighting conditions of both look off, but they are directly connected. Genies body is overly specular while smiths face is not. There seem to be discontinuities in shadows and reflections between all elements of the scene.

Also smiths mocap looks wrong. It's like the finer details of his movements were filtered out giving a serious uncanny valley feel to it.

TL;DR: Lights in CG are different from real actor lighting.



 
Oct 26, 2017
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How to phrase this without it sounding immediately negative... did they film this entire movie on a soundstage? A 20x20 stage draped in green or blue?
 

jett

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why do these disney remakes have this weird muted and de saturated colour look to them ? Its like there tryna be apart of the early dceu.

Looks meh, as opposed to lion king which looks great. I really hope mulan looks good
Heh, The Lion King is no different in that regard.


Everything looks very...brown.

If I had to use a descriptor to describe Disney's remakes, I would say most of them just look lame. They lack the energy and pizzazz (and yahoo and how) that animation brings to the table.

The Cave of Wonders is the most perfect example.


A magical, sentient being that forms out of nowhere in the middle of the desert.


Literally a static face carved on a mountain, that kinda lights up.

These movies are an absolute dearth of creativity and ambition in any aspect that matters.
 
Nov 25, 2017
4,889
Minnesota
The Cave of Wonders is the most perfect example.


A magical, sentient being that forms out of nowhere in the middle of the desert.


Literally a static face carved on a mountain, that kinda lights up.

These movies are an absolute dearth of creativity and ambition in any aspect that matters.
Probably my biggest gripe so far. The difference is STAGGERING.
 
Jan 10, 2019
267
Will Smith is hardly an A lister today. But surely they could have modeled the face like him so you can still see his resemblance and mimicry but still keep it distinct enough to look less weird like they do in a lot of animation and games.
He is a household name and face all around the world.
And he was the 6th highest paid actor of 2018, so there is that. And he probably has a clause in his contract that his face must be shown as is (which is not that uncommon for big stars)

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Yan

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Oct 29, 2017
63
He is a household name and face all around the world.
And he was the 6th highest paid actor of 2018, so there is that. And he probably has a clause in his contract that his face must be shown as is (which is not that uncommon for big stars)

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Well then, I stand corrected. I didn't know he was still this big.
 

shinobi602

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Oct 24, 2017
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I mean...it’s still hard for me to gauge Will as Genie just from those two seconds.

But damn Jafar’s actor just does NOT fit that role...his voice threw me way off lol.
 
Jan 10, 2019
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This is probably true, and if it is, Disney should not have cast him for the role; it's too great of a restriction for a character like this.
Yup, but Hollywood gonna Hollywood. As shitty as it is, it's probably easier to market with a familiar face on a poster.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,134
Ireland
Yeah, from that little showing, it looks awful. I'm not even sure it should have been remade in the first place, whoever would be the genie is against a severe uphill battle straight away.
 
Oct 27, 2017
661
Heh, The Lion King is no different in that regard.


Everything looks very...brown.

If I had to use a descriptor to describe Disney's remakes, I would say most of them just look lame. They lack the energy and pizzazz (and yahoo and how) that animation brings to the table.

The Cave of Wonders is the most perfect example.


A magical, sentient being that forms out of nowhere in the middle of the desert.


Literally a static face carved on a mountain, that kinda lights up.

These movies are an absolute dearth of creativity and ambition in any aspect that matters.
The lighting on the cave's eyes looks terrible. Like they used some Siri activated third party HUE strips.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,970
Edinburgh, UK
The Cave of Wonders is the most perfect example.


A magical, sentient being that forms out of nowhere in the middle of the desert.


Literally a static face carved on a mountain, that kinda lights up.

These movies are an absolute dearth of creativity and ambition in any aspect that matters.
That scene in the original Cave of Wonder was so wonderful when I was a kid, truly gave me a sense of wonder. The movie version look so uninspiring. Even the way the scene is filmed feels stale and slow.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Jafar’s voice sounds so off for the character. The CG Will Smith genie is a monstrosity.

Everything else looks good so far and hopefully there is enough to overcome the bad cg like Black Panther did.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,665
Yeah, that’s gonna be a no for me dawg

lol. seriously horrible. Will Smith is not even trying to act. Its will smith the genie.

The whole thing looks cheap as well and jafar sounds like a woman?
To be fair, Robin williams was Robin Williams the genie. I don’t know why anyone expected anything different.

I’m more upset about Jafar. I know it was only one line but he sounded like he had no personality whatsoever. Jafar’s original voice actor just oozed villain with every line. It was wonderful
 
Oct 28, 2017
361
I had to re-watch the trailer because I missed Jafar the 1st time. This can't be real. One of my favorite Disney, and I fear that it could be a disaster.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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There is a finite amount of Special Effects studios prepared to take on this huge-ass blockbusters and it seems we have reached a breaking point where there are just not enough ressources to handle everything Disney throws at them.

Really looking forward to Aladdin winning Best Special Effects at the BAFTAs next year.
 
May 11, 2018
3,347
UK
My problem with this is the lighting doesn't make any sense. It seems like the lighting in CG scenes are completely inconsistent with how the composited real world actors are lit.

Then you have genie which is will smiths face pasted n a CG body which looks really weird cuz the lighting conditions of both look off, but they are directly connected. Genies body is overly specular while smiths face is not. There seem to be discontinuities in shadows and reflections between all elements of the scene.

Also smiths mocap looks wrong. It's like the finer details of his movements were filtered out giving a serious uncanny valley feel to it.

TL;DR: Lights in CG are different from real actor lighting.



I will not defend this crap, but:

 
Nov 20, 2017
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Disney can't have seen this footage and thought that this was going to work out for them. Given how strong their slate is this year it's not really a 'do or die' scenario for them.

I wonder whether they just knew they'd fucked this up and given the release date was already set with the merchandising partners planning their roll outs they just thought 'fuck it' and will fire it out anyway.

If this does crater I can't imagine that Will Smith and Guy Ritchie walk away unscathed.
 
Nov 25, 2017
4,889
Minnesota
My problem with this is the lighting doesn't make any sense. It seems like the lighting in CG scenes are completely inconsistent with how the composited real world actors are lit.

Then you have genie which is will smiths face pasted n a CG body which looks really weird cuz the lighting conditions of both look off, but they are directly connected. Genies body is overly specular while smiths face is not. There seem to be discontinuities in shadows and reflections between all elements of the scene.

Also smiths mocap looks wrong. It's like the finer details of his movements were filtered out giving a serious uncanny valley feel to it.

TL;DR: Lights in CG are different from real actor lighting.



In film there are always going to be some inconsistences due to staging of actors usually taking precedence over the rest of the elements in a given scene, but you're definitely right in your critique about the lighting.

Similarly, the lava scene was lacking in the emissive lighting department. It's really shocking how poorly constructed these scenes appear to be so far.