Yup, this is an incredibly good point. Speaking out about abuse helps everyone, and that's how you prevent further instances of abuse. If the lesson you are taking from this is 'victims should stay quiet' then you are an obstacle in the path forward to reducing abuse.
That's not what I'm saying. That's a strawman. I'm discussing the wisdom and consequences of using Twitter as a weapon. I'm not advocating outlawing the weapon.
You just to close your ears and live in your world.
Person A: "This thing is a dumb idea that leads to terrible results!"
Sorry, I was tired of watching so many posters sitting in a burning building going "Man it's gonna suck when this building is set on fire"
And yet people continue to choose Twitter and similar avenues over the courts. You want the laws to be changed but until the justice system is actually capable of handling this shit (and it's a long fucking way to that point if we ever get there), you do not get to decide how and where victims share their stories.
I mean I also hate Twitter but giving a platform for abuse victims to speak out and be heard is like one of the few positives of the platform. Unfortunately it does nothing to protect them after they've done so. Either way I don't really think Twitter is the main problem here, more the way our society deals with the subject of abuse and victimization in general.
Name calling and ad hominem attacks are not productive so I will ignore the insults. I don't think any victim should stay silent; that leads to injustice.
I think that's a good point about changing our culture. I'm not sold that social media allegations are an effective way to go about that change, but I'm open to the idea.
If we have no concern for the well-being of the accused, then why should we be concerned for the well-being of the accuser?
I just don't think victims are responsible for the way society mishandles these situations after they speak out publically. Like yeah, the tendency for people to dehumanize others in these situations because they see an opportunity to be morally superior is a problem. The idea that individuals who hurt others should be tortured and subjected to suffering at the hands of the state or others rather than having a focus on rehabilitation is a problem. But none of that is the responsibility of the victim, who is simply stating what happened to them.
1. where did i even say anything about who "we" should be concerned about
I don't think it's a coincidence that he killed himself after these accusations resulted in the loss of his job and status. A more reasonable form of justice permits a person to respond to the allegations before facing consequences for them.
Yeah because that's easier. That's how things used to be prior to the 70's, when things like rape and child abuse were seen as 'not a big deal'. Then society realized, oh wait, this is a big problem...and then took that knowledge and instead of supporting victims and working to prevent more abuse, just created a bunch of further problems. Our society fucking sucks at handling this shit, but if people stay silent then it will never get better. Those of us who have personal experience with abuse can't let that happen...and that's why Zoe Quinn came forward. That's why all victims come forward. To be heard and hopefully contribute to change and a solution.
Even if you make the allegation on Twitter instead of filing a report, you're still tied to it. You still have to live with it. You can still be thought of as a person that made everything up. The only difference I see is Twitter Justice is more likely to yield results; and faster.
Because talking to the police statistically is not very helpful. Most accusations don't result in convictions.
You can as many threads as you like.
You do realize that most victims of abuse don't advocate for the deaths or torture or whatever of abusers, right? That most people who have experienced this, while they do have anger about what has happened to them, most of them just want further suffering to end. You aren't on the side of victims when you post shit like what you've been posting. Sensitivity and understanding are the bare fucking miminimum when it comes to approaching situations like this.
