Alita: Battle Angel |OT| Mobile Suit Gunnm.

Oct 25, 2017
1,828
I just knew this movie was going to be a dud, I just knew it but then I saw it and I really liked it. This was a pretty solid movie! They could have cut the relationship subplot, but I honestly want to see what happened in her past life. I feel like that was the hook for me, the modern day stuff a bit less so.
 
Oct 25, 2017
982
I've heard of this series, and seen some clips from the OVAs, but I don't really know anything about the original manga.

This was a good ass movie. I think my favorite aspect was Alita being 100% gung ho badass killing machine, and actually relishing in it (and just enjoying being alive, and a cool as fuck cyborg), instead of being wishy washy like most other protagonists.

Of course, that's not to say that such an attitude means that you live a consequence free existence. While I dug her going and looking for a fight/"Jumping at the Call", things go pretty badly for her because she does so...

I feel like anybody who hasn't heard of the source material might think that this is movie is actually a YA adaptation like Hunger Games, Divergent, or The Maze Runner, but weirder. And oh boy, this is not one of those.

"No love triangles, everybody likes somebody in particular (and they know how to spit it out)". Then the movie goes "Surprise! Everybody, innocent, fleshy, or date-able is a gonner! Your boyfriend is now just a head... and now he's hella dead!" *guitar riff* Also, fuck your dog, it is dead as well.

Whew, what a roller coaster.

The Dolby Cinema experience was spectacular. I never wanted to see a sub 48fps 3D movie again after being burned by Tron Legacy in LIE-MAX - not even RP1 - but this 3D experience was spectacular. Everything was clear (4k+HDR helps), the 3D was natural instead of out of place, and the choreography was highly legible (and really, really good!).

I want to see it again, but I don't want to pay $21. I hope it comes to a VR service, and we eventually get 8k/16k per eye VR devices that eliminate the screen door effect that real life doesn't have.

Gimme a sequel!
 
Oct 25, 2017
5,669
Saw this tonight. I fucking loved it. Holy shit.

The movie is cheesy, but it's sincere and has some good emotional beats. I love how Alita was written and portrayed. She's got a good arc that makes watching her go through the movie well worth it. The action scenes are kick-ass and well-shot. Good music. Like... this movie has the whole package. It flails on the execution a bit here and there, but the overall package is solid, and damn am I glad that it's the case.

I'm definitely buying the blu-ray.

Oh, and this movie has one of the best single-use of the word "fuck" in a PG-13 movie. It's a goddamned amazing bit.
 
Oct 25, 2017
2,404
NYC
Pretty solid movie. The main actress was actually really great, she sold it all. Everyone else kinda felt like they where phoning it in and the logic was just all over the place, but again, the actress playing alita anchored the whole thing and made me not care about the short comings.

Seeing it in 3d was a treat. Which is a weird thing to admit, but this movie was made for that.
 
Oct 25, 2017
224
Seeing all the love for Rosa Salazar makes me want to shout out Man Seeking Woman, a shamefully overlooked comedy show that featured Rosa for a majority of season 2. That was the first time I saw her and she was great in that too so check it out!
 
The story wasn't great.
The pacing was a little messy.
Things could have been a lot tighter.
Less "90s extreme sports" or more of it would have been better?



Seeing all the love for Rosa Salazar makes me want to shout out Man Seeking Woman, a shamefully overlooked comedy show that featured Rosa for a majority of season 2. That was the first time I saw her and she was great in that too so check it out!
Holy shit! I almost completely forgot about that show! It was so good.
 
Nov 2, 2017
3,939
I liked the movie.

The only thing that actually, genuinely annoyed me, was the way they shoehorned Desty Nova into the film as some sort of "Big Bad". He wasn't even involved in the story at that point, and the way they handled him was incredibly saturday morning.
 
Oct 28, 2017
3,453
I also forgot to mention this, but the production values in this movie are great. A 200M movie where you can actually see where the 200M went to. The human and cyborg CGI integration is astounding and the best I've seen of this type, never did I feel any kind of disconnect or weirdness. You watch this and then you watch some garbage like the CGI in Black Panther or the use of CGI for suits in Homecoming and Infinity War and the difference is absolutely fucking abysmal. What the hell is even going on at Marvel Studios. Get your shit together.
MCU film have great CGi but people hyper-focus on the parts that don't look so good. Their approach includes going in and reshooting scenes which means a reshot scene will have less budget for practical sets, etc., and VFX studios have less time to work on effects. It's a compromise since they may be able to tighten up parts of the film that weren't working as well as they'd like, but then there is a chance that the seams will show in the final product.

Also, it seemed pretty obvious to me that Alita is pretty sparse with it's use of variety in it's practical sets since everything takes place in Iron City so we see lots of alleyways and rooms from the same sets. That gives them more budget for the wide VFX shots and heavy greenscreen/VFX sequences. Compare that to Black Panther which has multiple different locales in different countries with different rooms (museums, casinos, fields, scrapyards, jungles, waterfalls, streets, thronerooms, etc.) and they have to balance a lot more of the budget for practical set pieces with the VFX set pieces.
 
Oct 25, 2017
549
Seeing all the love for Rosa Salazar makes me want to shout out Man Seeking Woman, a shamefully overlooked comedy show that featured Rosa for a majority of season 2. That was the first time I saw her and she was great in that too so check it out!
I second that recommendation. The show is great and her episodes are among the best. Especially the one with
Eric Andre and the kung-fu master
.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,003
How everywhere else got stuck with those garbo posters I don’t understand. That poster is great.

The only decent poster in the west is the extreme close up one sheet with the blood as War paint.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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MCU film have great CGi but people hyper-focus on the parts that don't look so good. Their approach includes going in and reshooting scenes which means a reshot scene will have less budget for practical sets, etc., and VFX studios have less time to work on effects. It's a compromise since they may be able to tighten up parts of the film that weren't working as well as they'd like, but then there is a chance that the seams will show in the final product.

Also, it seemed pretty obvious to me that Alita is pretty sparse with it's use of variety in it's practical sets since everything takes place in Iron City so we see lots of alleyways and rooms from the same sets. That gives them more budget for the wide VFX shots and heavy greenscreen/VFX sequences. Compare that to Black Panther which has multiple different locales in different countries with different rooms (museums, casinos, fields, scrapyards, jungles, waterfalls, streets, thronerooms, etc.) and they have to balance a lot more of the budget for practical set pieces with the VFX set pieces.
I don't think they have great CGI frankly. Acceptable and/or passable CGI, maybe.
 
Oct 25, 2017
1,149
How everywhere else got stuck with those garbo posters I don’t understand. That poster is great.

The only decent poster in the west is the extreme close up one sheet with the blood as War paint.
Maybe that poster is by Huang Hai? He has done some fantastic movie posters for Chinese releases. Such as this one for Totoro:


And this for Shoplifters:

 
Now that i've got some time i have some dire questions that need explaining. I'm assuming some of these will be covered in the sequel but the logic of these are still bothering me

*if some of these are likely to be answered in the sequel, please no heavy spoilers

What was the deal with the Women being murdered at night? I thought it was implying for a good while that Dr. Ido was the killer of women?

If Alita is a soldier from mars, fought on the moon, and apparently had a spaceship...what was the deal with the flashback of her and the other 'angel' climbing the tube to the sky city?

lol wut. what is the significance of motorball and how is that the only way to be granted into a ticket into the sky city? Nova is running motorball?

Was it implying that Nova is the king/ruler of skycity? I thought the flashback said he was a criminal that the 'angels' were hunting?
 
Oct 25, 2017
9,902
Massachusetts
I thought it was a good movie. Pretty choppy at times. Felt like they were trying to cram two films into one. Also, the Joey Lawrence clone was pretty hilarious at times. The world building this film was able to accomplish was pretty impressive and the visuals & action segments were worth the admission.

In a sea of powered sex robot women films, this managed to stick out a little bit.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,142
Now that i've got some time i have some dire questions that need explaining. I'm assuming some of these will be covered in the sequel but the logic of these are still bothering me

*if some of these are likely to be answered in the sequel, please no heavy spoilers

What was the deal with the Women being murdered at night? I thought it was implying for a good while that Dr. Ido was the killer of women?

If Alita is a soldier from mars, fought on the moon, and apparently had a spaceship...what was the deal with the flashback of her and the other 'angel' climbing the tube to the sky city?

lol wut. what is the significance of motorball and how is that the only way to be granted into a ticket into the sky city? Nova is running motorball?

Was it implying that Nova is the king/ruler of skycity? I thought the flashback said he was a criminal that the 'angels' were hunting?
Here are my interpretations. I haven't read the manga.

* The women were being murdered for body parts by random criminals. Dr. Ido looked to Alita (and us) like he was killing the women, but it turned out he had become a vigilante specifically to fight AGAINST criminals. He mentions that there isn't really a police anymore, so he's trying to be a sort of elderly Batman.

* For whatever reason, Mars was trying to kill all the sky cities. Alita and the other angel were apparently trying to get into the last sky city to destroy it, since that was the overall mission, and it was the last city remaining. It's possible it's because Nova and other elite people were doing horrific experiments or something there.

* Motorball is just the crazy roller derby sport that keeps the masses entertained and pacified. Having the theoretical hope of getting into the elite sky city of noble people gives the common people something to aim for. Vector runs motorball and so he's influential since everyone likes it, and he makes people think that he also has ways of smuggling people up to sky city, but it turns out it's all a scam. Nova is some mysterious villain in the movie who's behind the scenes even over Vector, but this is apparently different from the manga and I'm trying not to spoil myself.

* Nova is portrayed as some sort of mastermind / ruler in skycity but we really don't know anything, and again this is apparently different from the manga. He's basically a big bad villain for a potential sequel.
 
Oct 25, 2017
335
Anyone see this in Dolby? When the first Centurion walked by ... holy shit.
I saw it in a local IMAX and was dissapointed in their sound system. I have a 11 channel Atmos/DTSX system in my home theater with buttkickers, so I am eagerly awaiting watching this one at home cause it was noticeable to me the lack of bass and surround in the IMAX system I watched it on. The screen was great though =)
 
Here are my interpretations. I haven't read the manga.

* The women were being murdered for body parts by random criminals. Dr. Ido looked to Alita (and us) like he was killing the women, but it turned out he had become a vigilante specifically to fight AGAINST criminals. He mentions that there isn't really a police anymore, so he's trying to be a sort of elderly Batman.

* For whatever reason, Mars was trying to kill all the sky cities. Alita and the other angel were apparently trying to get into the last sky city to destroy it, since that was the overall mission, and it was the last city remaining. It's possible it's because Nova and other elite people were doing horrific experiments or something there.

* Motorball is just the crazy roller derby sport that keeps the masses entertained and pacified. Having the theoretical hope of getting into the elite sky city of noble people gives the common people something to aim for. Vector runs motorball and so he's influential since everyone likes it, and he makes people think that he also has ways of smuggling people up to sky city, but it turns out it's all a scam. Nova is some mysterious villain in the movie who's behind the scenes even over Vector, but this is apparently different from the manga and I'm trying not to spoil myself.

* Nova is portrayed as some sort of mastermind / ruler in skycity but we really don't know anything, and again this is apparently different from the manga. He's basically a big bad villain for a potential sequel.
Thanks for explanations. Helps a lot

Now it has me curious at the directors cut/script. Some of those threads needed better threading
 
Oct 29, 2017
3,341
Saw it yesterday, so fun! Motorball scenes were amazing. Really hope Disney will see all the positive reaction from fans and makes a sequel but it seems unlikely unfortunately..
 
Oct 28, 2017
5,282
New Jersey
I saw it in a local IMAX and was dissapointed in their sound system. I have a 11 channel Atmos/DTSX system in my home theater with buttkickers, so I am eagerly awaiting watching this one at home cause it was noticeable to me the lack of bass and surround in the IMAX system I watched it on. The screen was great though =)
Atmos destroys IMAX sound