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All Elite Wrestling announced; bankrolled by Tony Khan, son of Jacksonville Jaguars and Fullham FC owner Shahid Khan
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This and that Shing Osprey flip, such beautiful choreography!
Yeah... wwe really screw up this guy. His promos and passion are like sun and moon comparing with his wwe promos.
Almost everyone who performed or is performing poorly in WWE needs an asterisk next to their name, because they're probably all secret amazing talents that got turned onto 3rd rate actors.
This is true to a certain extent, but I'd be legit shook if Baron Corbin got sacked and ended up having a killer run in AEW/NJPW/the indies/etc.
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Look at his opponent
JUICE ROBINSON
went from absolutely nothing in the wwe system to one of the best babyface promos in the world and damn good in ring worker under the new japan system
he's proof that even guys who don't seem like they're being held back, are indeed being held back
Totally. And it REALLY grinds my gears hearing all the Attitude era guys moan about how nobody is grabbing for the brass ring and people are scared and blah blah blah. Vince fucking suffocates his talent. Really talented guys like Shawn Spears had no chance in WWE.
Really glad to see Moxley full of energy and passion again. The last time he was like that was during his feud with Regal in FCW. If only Claudio and Lee could come to AEW / NJPW.
So, which WWE talents who are languishing should we look forward to switching over to AEW in the future? And that would apply to broadcasters, agents, and trainers.
Not everyone is a Juice Robinson, for every one of him there's 10 Tye Dillingers. Juice had a special hunger, and underrated ability. Also the NJPW system is perfect for turning out competent workers- even their worst guys end up around Makabe or Yujiro-level. Juice's charisma is damn good, so combine that with NJPW's system and you got a template for someone very good.
I mean, I hate to keep on about bashing WWE, but I have to here.
Can you even imagine how many talents WWE has destroyed in the almost 20 years it has been since WCW went out of business? How many folks started with the dream, trained, attempted to make it work, and then WWE just killed their passion for the entire thing and they gave up and have since moved on? How many of these folks had actual potential and it was just tossed in the trash bin? How many truly great workers have we missed out on simply because of how WWE works?
I love wrestling, I'll always be a WWE fan, but when I really sit and think about it it kinda makes me sick to my stomach.
I'm beyond thrilled that these people have a true alternative in North America once again.
One guy I instantly think about is Harry Smith. It's an abomination how much of his career has been wasted because of what WWE did to him. I know he has had success elsewhere since, but not on this kind of stage in the states. I hope he has the chance to go to AEW. I mean, look what WWE did to someone like even CM Punk. He had a passion and they beat it out of him to the extent that he may not even work anywhere ever again. I can't imagine what it did to the guys who never even were able to come close to what someone like a CM Punk or Dean Ambrose were able to achieve with those constraints. Ugh.
It also pisses me off that even the guys that ARE getting a chance now, like Shawn Spears, so much of his career was just wasted. Now guys like him are in the spotlight but they are already pushing 40 years old. Other than a short stint on the indies, he wasted like 13 years of his prime for absolutely nothing.
It absolutely applies to others beyond just the wrestles. The WWE system pushes everyone down with how it is. JR on Double or Nothing was more in his element than he has been in years in WWE. Even Billy Flippin' Gunn seems to be in a better head space now. I'm sure agents like Dean and Arn will be thrilled to have somewhere to work where they are free to just be creative and do their jobs how they should have always been done. I'm excited for the possibility of Rene Young following Moxley as soon as it's possible, they have actively ruined her in the booth in WWE. It's no wonder that we are hearing reports where tons of folks in WWE are interested in getting out. I would be too if I worked there. I also don't think WWE is safe from anyone wanting out, not even the top talent unless they have direct ties to the family. In a million years I never would have thought someone like Randy would ever leave WWE, but now it wouldn't shock me for a second. The creative envoriment mixed with the decreased schedule? Some of these guys would be insane to not be interested in getting out.
Can you even imagine how many talents WWE has destroyed in the almost 20 years it has been since WCW went out of business? How many folks started with the dream, trained, attempted to make it work, and then WWE just killed their passion for the entire thing and they gave up and have since moved on? How many of these folks had actual potential and it was just tossed in the trash bin? How many truly great workers have we missed out on simply because of how WWE works?
I love wrestling, I'll always be a WWE fan, but when I really sit and think about it it kinda makes me sick to my stomach.
I'm beyond thrilled that these people have a true alternative in North America once again.
One guy I instantly think about is Harry Smith. It's an abomination how much of his career has been wasted because of what WWE did to him. I know he has had success elsewhere since, but not on this kind of stage in the states. I hope he has the chance to go to AEW. I mean, look what WWE did to someone like even CM Punk. He had a passion and they beat it out of him to the extent that he may not even work anywhere ever again. I can't imagine what it did to the guys who never even were able to come close to what someone like a CM Punk or Dean Ambrose were able to achieve with those constraints. Ugh.
It also pisses me off that even the guys that ARE getting a chance now, like Shawn Spears, so much of his career was just wasted. Now guys like him are in the spotlight but they are already pushing 40 years old. Other than a short stint on the indies, he wasted like 13 years of his prime for absolutely nothing.
It absolutely applies to others beyond just the wrestles. The WWE system pushes everyone down with how it is. JR on Double or Nothing was more in his element than he has been in years in WWE. Even Billy Flippin' Gunn seems to be in a better head space now. I'm sure agents like Dean and Arn will be thrilled to have somewhere to work where they are free to just be creative and do their jobs how they should have always been done. I'm excited for the possibility of Rene Young following Moxley as soon as it's possible, they have actively ruined her in the booth in WWE. It's no wonder that we are hearing reports where tons of folks in WWE are interested in getting out. I would be too if I worked there. I also don't think WWE is safe from anyone wanting out, not even the top talent unless they have direct ties to the family. In a million years I never would have thought someone like Randy would ever leave WWE, but now it wouldn't shock me for a second. The creative envoriment mixed with the decreased schedule? Some of these guys would be insane to not be interested in getting out.
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I dont understand how Haitch skipped Juice Robinson so hard. The Guy should have been a star in NXT. Luckily Matt Bloom with his contacts in New Japan could hook him up there when he left wwe. I know that eventually Juice would have get there, but still he sould be very thankful of Matt Bloom.
Also, you can see guys like Dustin, that he himself said that in WWE they make him feel that he was no good for the upper card, and he really believed that for 20 years.
But, i dont think its all WWE fault. When you sign with wwe you know exactly the ground you are stepping. And people like Sasha Banks that even being unhappy, sign a contract renovation, they played themselves.
Tell me about it, it's insane. One of their biggest mistakes in the last number of years.
While this dude is like a fine wine, yeah, it's horrible what they did to him and that was still someone they put time and effort into. He leaves and his first night in AEW he busts out what to me was a legendary all time classic and hit five stars. Who on Earth expected that? I've been a huge fan of his since day one though and have thought he should have been a world champ, somewhere, ever since his original run in WCW.
I don't blame the talent. Where else has there been for them to go to make that much money and get that much exposure? If I was a wrestler I'd likely have signed with WWE as well for the job security. It doesn't make it suck any less with how they still misuse and mistreat so much of their talent.
Hell, take someone like Roman Reigns even, who they obviously focus on as their main star. Even this guy is terribly misused constantly. He shows glimpses of his true character and the potential he has but we are never going to really see what great things he could accomplish in WWE no matter how hard they push him. Not in this current environment.
Wardlow, from the International Wrestling Cartel. Nice. I have a tryout with the IWC myself later this month but I'm scared.
Since Cody Rhodes is old school, is he open to the idea of bringing back heel managers and a dedicated tag team division?
I also couldn't help but notice that when Bret Hart came out to unveil the belt, he was billed as just Bret Hart. Doesn't he own the Hitman name, or did he have to give that up when he signed his legends contract. Also, wouldn't he have had to gain clearance by the WWE to make his AEW appearance? And what was his motives for showing up on AEW? He ruled out on ever showing up on a TNA show for instance. Has he for all intents and purpose checked out of the WWE once again?
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A dedicated tag team division was the plan from day one, why do you think the Bucks are there? And I'm sure they'd bring back heel managers if the right manager came along.
Bret doesn't have a legends contract, so he can do whatever he wants. He probably ruled out ever appearing on TNA because it's TNA. I'd guess, like a lot of the other retired wrestlers who showed up at DoN or Starrcast, Bret's excited about AEW because he knows WWE is a shitshow and wants to see a genuinely good major wrestling promotion. But who knows, you'd have to ask him most of those questions.
Ric Flair was supposed to be the one to present the title, but he didn't recover fast enough from his surgery, Bret stepped in on short notice.
This is just making me curious to hear what MJF would've said to Ric Flair.
lol
Makabe is a former IWGP Champion. Yujiro is known for...getting powerbombed by Kevin Nash?
TNA jokes, doctor jokes, broke jokes, lawsuits, wives. It would have been great lol.
What's going through HHH's mind going forward? Is he aware of the WWE's stagnating product or blissfully confidant of the fact that they've monopolized the business in North America?
Since Vince seems stuck in his ways, would HHH or Stephanie be able to corral him into changing course? And that wouldn't necessarily have to mean doing bloody death matches or cussing on air. They still do have the best roster of talent they've had in their history, at least athletically speaking. Instead of locking in potential breakout stars for the sake of depriving their competition of using them, why not cultivate them to make them profitable for the WWE? It boggles my mind. It's almost WCW level hubris.
Austin, Foley, Benoit, Jericho, and Guerrero, they were fine with letting them languish and it came back to bite them in the ass.
I remember Tom Zenk telling Dave Meltzer on his show back in 2000 after The Radicalz left WCW that these were men who were essentially leaving guaranteed money on the table for greener pastures. Then you juxtapose that with what Jon Moxley said in his interviews with Wade Keller and Chris Jericho. History is repeating itself in two fold for the WWE. Just like in 1995-6, they were complacent as WCW was slowly gaining the upperhand in the Monday Night Wars. But they also seem complacent with their fledgling talent, just like WCW was after the NWO angle had run its course.
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"I was winning championships when you were swimming around in your dad's nut sack, jack."
...maybe more of a Shawn Michaels comeback.
Chad Gable.
He'll thrive in a promotion that lets wrestling speak for itself.
He also just has amazing fucking energy. He's going to waste right now and it sucks.
Man remember when American Alpha was fucking over in NXT. Not even Jordan's physique could keep him from becoming nothing on the main roster.
If only it had been around 2001-2009ish when Samoa Joe, Bryan Danielson, Nigel McGuiness, AJ Styles, Tyler Black, Claudio Castagnoli, Prince Devitt, and about a hundred other guys were in their primes but weren't being signed by WWE because Johnny Ace was running talent relations and was terrible at his job.
I keep feeling like Renee Young is on borrowed time with WWE, and I keep expecting her to show up on AEW as a backstage interviewer.
Asuka and Kairi Sane would be amazing for the women's division.
I know Nakamura probably wouldn't leave WWE anytime soon, but the man made one of the greatest WWE debuts in recent memory, won the Royal Rumble, and now barely shows up because apparently Vince was so pissed that Nakamura accidentally dropped Cena on his head. But if he did leave, Nakamura vs Omega would be a dream match.
It boggles the mind and just pisses me off even more when I think about it. At least those guys had moments though where their talent shined. My real problem is with the guys that never got the shot, those that were truly totally wasted and screwed up. Those that had their passion for the business as a whole destroyed and then got out before they ever had a real chance to let loose.
But yes, it sucks for these guys as well, just in a different way.
I don't know what Renee wants out of everything, I know she doesn't want to wrestle, but I could absolutely see her as one hell of a second for Moxley one day in the vein of an Elizabeth or the sort. If not full time, at least for a match when he faces Cody with Brandi in his corner or something.
The truth is we don't know what some of these people are even truly capable of.
The truth is we don't know what some of these people are even truly capable of.
Finlay thought of the Eugene gimmick for him. Cause he realized how talented he was and wanted him on TV in any shape or form. A shame he was wasted, he was super talented.
Keith Lee maybe, but I think WWE knows they have something with Riddle and I see him as a huge star for them in the near future.
Matt Riddle LOOKS like a huge television star, something I can't say about most top WWE guys, also doesn't hurt that he has the credentials and work rate
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