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All Elite Wrestling announced; bankrolled by Tony Khan, son of Jacksonville Jaguars and Fullham FC owner Shahid Khan

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I'd bet Jericho still told Vince. He still told Vince about New Japan last year. There's probably still some loyalty there
Well he obviously told Vince considering he was negotiating with WWE this past weekend before he signed with AEW
 
Oct 27, 2017
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He talked to him about the first All In and Vince told him he wished Cody would have called him and spoken to him about it so he could have given him advice
That was probably before he realized Cody was going to get backed by a guy richer than him, sign contracts and have TV deals lined up though.

Wonder if Rhodes actually called him about AEW specifically at any point.

"Nice job, kid. You....wait, you're doing what now?"
 
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He talked to him about the first All In and Vince told him he wished Cody would have called him and spoken to him about it so he could have given him advice
At the time All In and NJPW weren't direct competition, but I'm sure the thinking was the same as it is now: this is good for wrestling.

Let Jericho or whoever get their money now. For Jericho he'll end up back home. For everyone else they'll be in WWE when it's their season. And if WWE starts to decline it'll shift with the times. They're a long ways from going out of business.

All of this is good for wrestling.
 
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Wrestling cool again? Not when they continue to book stuff like WWE if not even cringier.
I have no doubts about the technical quality it will have or the match quality, but the entertainment so far, at least on All In, BTE and the Rally was WWE to the bone and I don't really like that.
Penis druids and mascot segments are more cringy then cool. Hope they will be a bit more different here in the end.
This. It's still wacky. If they want to attract a combat sports audience they need to produce a product which is nothing like the WWE. I'm not sure someone is brave enough to do that in the US.
 
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At the time All In and NJPW weren't direct competition, but I'm sure the thinking was the same as it is now: this is good for wrestling.

Let Jericho or whoever get their money now. For Jericho he'll end up back home. For everyone else they'll be in WWE when it's their season. And if WWE starts to decline it'll shift with the times. They're a long ways from going out of business.

All of this is good for wrestling.
Yep.

Assuming AEW doesn't shit the bed and sticks around for awhile, wrestlers are about to make a fuck ton of money and probably feel more valued than they have in awhile.
 
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Oh! I didn't even know about that. 12 months ago he was saying he would never work on American soil unless it was for Vince.
That changed some time around All In. I think it took Jericho a while to realise how popular NJPW (and the Elite in particular) had become, even in the west. Once he did, he realised he could ride that wave and be treated like a star, not just the upper midcard gatekeeper he's been for years in WWE.

At the time All In and NJPW weren't direct competition, but I'm sure the thinking was the same as it is now: this is good for wrestling.

Let Jericho or whoever get their money now. For Jericho he'll end up back home. For everyone else they'll be in WWE when it's their season. And if WWE starts to decline it'll shift with the times. They're a long ways from going out of business.

All of this is good for wrestling.
This kind of talk is just blurgh to me. WWE is Jericho's former employer, not his home. If AEW sticks around, pays Jericho well and treats him with respect, why should he go back? And why should we assume every wrestler should go to WWE? This WWE centric outlook of the wrestling industry is bad for wrestling IMO.

This. It's still wacky. If they want to attract a combat sports audience they need to produce a product which is nothing like the WWE. I'm not sure someone is brave enough to do that in the US.
On the one hand, I think their brand of wacky is a million times more entertaining than the WWE's because it's written by far more talented people and Vince's brand of humour is trash.

But on the other, I agree and that's one of my concerns. I do think the talk of them using Mid-South as inspiration and making wins and losses matter is extremely encouraging though.
 
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Honestly in order for this to take off it can't just be WWE rejects/Bullet club rehash.

They need to make this a marketable adult product that you can sell to people.
 
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I see these three names suggested a lot. Does anyone even know when their contracts are up?
Gallows and Anderson are up September of this year.

Problem is from what I've heard of these two talking, they don't really want to go anywhere. They're not out to prove anything in the industry, and seem perfectly content to just rake in cash to wrestle maybe two or three times a week off TV. Of course WWE would need to have interest in keeping them, but if they do I think it may be tough to leave the security of WWE.
 
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I see a few people getting hung up on the whole Joey Ryan segment at All In.

It was a payoff to a very long running storyline that actually started in DDT where someone tried to lowblow Ryan and he repelled the attack with his dick. It got over huge on the internet and became a running joke on BTE to the point where on the show Hangman Page eventually killed Ryan.

The whole penis suits bit was a parody of Undertaker's druids as Ryan was resurrected through his dick.

At face value, I get the comparison to shitty Vince humor. Yet the fact that they built up a massive storyline over several months that was legitimately funny into a payoff that was a straight parody done for laughs pushes this well beyond anything Vince's writing crew has done. It was just done so well and led to a satisfying payoff in the ring that it worked.
 
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Joey Ryan’s mental breakdown into a isolated mess drinking his own piss when hangman called him a penis pretender was a good bit. It was a fun dumb story.


I wonder if Joey Ryan gets a deal. One of the nicest dudes on the indies.
 
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Joey Ryan’s mental breakdown into a isolated mess drinking his own piss when hangman called him a penis pretender was a good bit. It was a fun dumb story.


I wonder if Joey Ryan gets a deal. One of the nicest dudes on the indies.
Joey Ryan wearing the Stardust outfit was by far one of the funniest things I've ever seen in wrestling. His DDT Ironman Championship run was pure gold.
 
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Joey Ryan’s mental breakdown into a isolated mess drinking his own piss when hangman called him a penis pretender was a good bit. It was a fun dumb story.


I wonder if Joey Ryan gets a deal. One of the nicest dudes on the indies.
I hope not, I can't stand his character, and the style that's been suggested doesn't lend itself to that sort of comedy. He can stay in DDT and those sort of comedy promotions. I also don't see a TV station letting them get away with giant penis druids. :p
 
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Here's a pick for AEW: Candice LeRae

The way they've booked her in NXT is goddamn criminal.
If her and Joey Ryan can reform The World's Cutest Tag Team I'd be all for it.

I hope not, I can't stand his character, and the style that's been suggested doesn't lend itself to that sort of comedy. He can stay in DDT and those sort of comedy promotions. I also don't see a TV station letting them get away with giant penis druids. :p
 
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I hope not, I can't stand his character, and the style that's been suggested doesn't lend itself to that sort of comedy. He can stay in DDT and those sort of comedy promotions. I also don't see a TV station letting them get away with giant penis druids. :p
I agree with this.
 
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If her and Joey Ryan can reform The World's Cutest Tag Team I'd be all for it.
On that note, I wonder if intergender wrestling is in consideration at all. I know it's forbidden completely in WWE as men hitting women would upset their sponsors with them targeting a younger audience and all, but if AEW is going for something totally different tonally maybe they could work it in.
 
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On that note, I wonder if intergender wrestling is in consideration at all. I know it's forbidden completely in WWE as men hitting women would upset their sponsors with them targeting a younger audience and all, but if AEW is going for something totally different tonally maybe they could work it in.
If they get on a major cable network, it ain't gonna fly
 
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On that note, I wonder if intergender wrestling is in consideration at all. I know it's forbidden completely in WWE as men hitting women would upset their sponsors with them targeting a younger audience and all, but if AEW is going for something totally different tonally maybe they could work it in.
Intergender matches is basically the one of the reasons why Lucha Underground couldn't get a better station.

They thought they were being revolutionary but most networks saw it as a strike against them.
 
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Intergender matches is basically the one of the reasons why Lucha Underground couldn't get a better station.

They thought they were being revolutionary but most networks saw it as a strike against them.
not only that but it killed their ratings. Seeing Pentagon jr. absolutely destroy girls for 90% of the match is not fun TV.
 
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not only that but it killed their ratings. Seeing Pentagon jr. absolutely destroy girls for 90% of the match is not fun TV.
It didn't help that they pushed the wrong woman. Sexy Star is a garbage human being.

The best episodes were easily when they brought in Io Shirai, Kairi Hojo (Sane), and Mayu Iwatani.

That was the episode that dropped a ton of viewers though
That's really shitty. I guess people just weren't ready for that.
 
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It didn't help that they pushed the wrong woman. Sexy Star is a garbage human being.

The best episodes were easily when they brought in Io Shirai, Kairi Hojo (Sane), and Mayu Iwatani.
That was the episode that dropped a ton of viewers though
 
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So does Adam Cole, yet Britt Baker just signed with AEW.
Britt Baker has some extenuating circumstances in that she is also a full-time dentist. She'd have to leave that job to go to NXT whereas AEW is more likely to be a lighter schedule that will allow her to do both.

Gargano and LaRae are both full time wrestlers so don't have those extenuating circumstances. I'm sure they could make it work if she left for AEW but at the same time I would think it's doubtful.
 
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I hope not, I can't stand his character, and the style that's been suggested doesn't lend itself to that sort of comedy. He can stay in DDT and those sort of comedy promotions. I also don't see a TV station letting them get away with giant penis druids. :p
the penis druids are probably a bit much but i wonder where "magic penis that performs wrestling moves on other people" falls in the rating system.

I wouldn't mind DDT-esque super ridiculous comedy matches once in a while just to keep things fresh. New Japan, which is real-ass sports-ass wrestling, does it with Yano and he is beloved. I think a lot of that stuff would be super SOCIAL MEDIA HASHTAG TRENDING friendly. Like imagine this shit in AEW:



 
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I know

I want to see ibushi being ibushi on TBS every tuesday nignt
Yeah, that's what I mean. Just hire Ibushi and let him do Ibushi things.

He should have a masked character for his crazy matches and come out as normal for serious matches, just because he does both so well