Amazon fires: Brazilian rainforest burning at record rate, space agency warns

bane833

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The USA is the number one or number two per capita consumer of the very things that people are burning the forest down to provide.
So? The US is also run by a lunatic similar to Bolsonaro. This doesn’t change that the rest of the world should fuck Brazil with every embargo possible and remove this piece of shit and his cronies with force if necessary.
This isn’t funny or something we can somehow sit out anymore. The whole planet literally has a knife at it’s throat.
 

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Tangential to the topic, the amazon river's runoff should be an international park that is protected. The silt runoff from the Andes into the Atlantic ocean produces a huge portion of the world's oxygen by feeding phytoplankton.
 

Paz

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So? The US is also run by a lunatic similar to Bolsonaro. This doesn’t change that the rest of the world should fuck Brazil with every embargo possible and remove this piece of shit and his cronies with force if necessary.
This isn’t funny or something we can somehow sit out anymore. The whole planet literally has a knife at it’s throat.
You literally expect the USA to militarily invade or sanction a country for supplying a resource that the USA is creating the demand for, seriously?

This is your case?
 

bane833

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You literally expect the USA to militarily invade or sanction a country for supplying a resource that the USA is creating the demand for, seriously?

This is your case?
I’m not expecting anything from the US anymore. It’s a failed experiment of a country at this point. But it’s not like the rest of the world is doing anything either.
 

Hey Please

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The issue is that he is not the only one. It is a chain of individuals from corporate lobbying to politics, who wanted this.

There needs to be some sort of global intervention. It is why I have been asking about whether international governments can impose sanctions to stop the collapse of an entire ecosystem. The issue is that American government is out of commission with the chosen one-president and now it is up to other countries to work together and perhaps ban imports until the madness comes to a halt.
 

Natasha Kerensky

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The issue is that he is not the only one. It is a chain of individuals from corporate lobbying to politics, who wanted this.

There needs to be some sort of global intervention. It is why I have been asking about whether international governments can impose sanctions to stop the collapse of an entire ecosystem. The issue is that American government is out of commission with the chosen one-president and now it is up to other countries to work together and perhaps ban imports until the madness comes to a halt.
you are right

what a horrible world we live in
 

Haubergeon

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People say we need change but no one has the balls to admit what really needs to happen.
People are quick to run from individual violent statements because it's easy to do so but capitalism gets away with so much fucking violence just because all of its threats of violence are implied or indirect, all, on the surface level, in the service of something else and people are just "getting in the way" or "disrupting" it, etc. Capitalism can violently and callously displace Native American tribes from their land to build an oil pipeline, and if you made any off-color statement about the people involved, that's bad, but anyone who supports that doesn't get called out for their "violence" because there's this thin veil of plausible deniability - "Of course I don't support the violence, it's just that..." that covers their asses. Capitalism is going to boil the planet to death but that's not violent because it's just "business" but don't make a joke about eating the rich. It's infuriating.
 
People are quick to run from individual violent statements because it's easy to do so but capitalism gets away with so much fucking violence just because all of its threats of violence are implied or indirect, all, on the surface level, in the service of something else and people are just "getting in the way" or "disrupting" it, etc. Capitalism can violently and callously displace Native American tribes from their land to build an oil pipeline, and if you made any off-color statement about the people involved, that's bad, but anyone who supports that doesn't get called out for their "violence" because there's this thin veil of plausible deniability - "Of course I don't support the violence, it's just that..." that covers their asses. Capitalism is going to boil the planet to death but that's not violent because it's just "business" but don't make a joke about eating the rich. It's infuriating.
Summarized my frustrations to a T. We're looking what will potentially be the largest genocide in human history and no one responsible will face the music because of it.
 

kiguel182

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Countries need to tax cow meat and encourage other meat consumption for start. Then you can work from there to change the diet to more vegetable based.

Banning imports from cow meat that comes from the Amazon would also be a start.

And obviously start educating people.

Nothing will be done because these would not be popular moves but oh well.

EDIT: Sanctions of products from the region are like minimum effort and yet, nothing. And look, you can change your diet and donate money to organisations (which I encourage to do!) but it's a drop in the bucket and despite being good for our conscience it won't change anything because change needs to come from the government level. And it needs to be ASAP.
 

Paz

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Countries need to tax cow meat and encourage other meat consumption for start. Then you can work from there to change the diet to more vegetable based.

Banning imports from cow meat that comes from the Amazon would also be a start.

And obviously start educating people.

Nothing will be done because these would not be popular moves but oh well.

EDIT: Sanctions of products from the region are like minimum effort and yet, nothing. And look, you can change your diet and donate money to organisations (which I encourage to do!) but it's a drop in the bucket and despite being good for our conscience it won't change anything because change needs to come from the government level. And it needs to be ASAP.
Change from the govt won’t happen when such policies are both against the interest of big business and immensely unpopular with the general electorate, if Americans had to pay for meat without the huge subsidies that keep it cheap they’d riot before considering eating less beef, let alone the idea of taxing it on top.

Change has to come from the individual really, asking the government to enact policies that nobody supports is never going to happen.
 

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Fucking Bolsonaro. And now the fuck face says it's ONGs fault.

Those fucking new fascists leaders all over the world are going to put the final nail in humanity coffin.
 

EccoCid

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Shit shiiit... thats horrible..
Only thing i can do as help from far is go vegetarian. Tried it before and lasted a year, guess it is time to go for it seriously and longer.
 

Velka

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I found this thread with useful links such as the Rain forest foundation and Amazon Watch, it's better than nothing, if you can help please do so.
Zelda Williams is a treasure

 

saenima

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I caught a ban for a similar comment but there’s also culpability on an individual level here, much of the worlds deforestation is being done for livestock or crops that feed livestock and when 100 scientists from 52 countries under the banner of the United Nations came out two weeks ago to tell us the western diet is unsustainable and the largest thing an individual can have an impact on, it was met with rage and disgust from 90% of replies on this forum with people insisting they shouldn’t have to change anything about their lives before the rich/governments do something.

Well that’s not actually how supply and demand works, it turns out if we wanna eat beef three times a day people are gonna make sure that happens no matter the environmental cost. According to the report those scientists wrote we could feed 9+ billion people using LESS land than we do today to feed 7 if we changed diets, but people just don’t care.
This is also true.
 

kiguel182

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Change from the govt won’t happen when such policies are both against the interest of big business and immensely unpopular with the general electorate, if Americans had to pay for meat without the huge subsidies that keep it cheap they’d riot before considering eating less beef, let alone the idea of taxing it on top.

Change has to come from the individual really, asking the government to enact policies that nobody supports is never going to happen.
Changes won’t come from the individual. It never worked like that and it sure as hell won’t work with this change and at the rate it needs to happen.
 

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With stuff like this I honestly don't know what to do. It's horrible this is happening, I can't believe shit like this is allowed to proceed. There should be some sort of international organisation that steps in to protect something of global importance, but that would (rightfully so) be meddling in national Brazilian affairs.

The only people who can stop this only have reasons to keep it going. Most I could do is send some money, me living in the Netherlands and all. But where to send it to?

And I doubt people don't care, just look at the amount of topicviews. But...what can I do?
To save the Amazon, not much. But what is happening in the Amazon is just one event more of the issues we have with our current development system: capitalism. I know this place hates individual small changes because "I want to save the world, but without changing my lifestyle"but you could start doing some changes yourself and try to serve as an example to others. If you have extra income, look for organizations that help indigenous people, the forest, animals in the region and donate. Start helping the many issues your place could have. We need empathy, a radical empathy more than ever. So start with what you have close to you.

I caught a ban for a similar comment but there’s also culpability on an individual level here, much of the worlds deforestation is being done for livestock or crops that feed livestock and when 100 scientists from 52 countries under the banner of the United Nations came out two weeks ago to tell us the western diet is unsustainable and the largest thing an individual can have an impact on, it was met with rage and disgust from 90% of replies on this forum with people insisting they shouldn’t have to change anything about their lives before the rich/governments do something.

Well that’s not actually how supply and demand works, it turns out if we wanna eat beef three times a day people are gonna make sure that happens no matter the environmental cost. According to the report those scientists wrote we could feed 9+ billion people using LESS land than we do today to feed 7 if we changed diets, but people just don’t care.
People in the West are so afraid of changing radically their lifestyles, they rather tell you to vote and hope that will change things.
 
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The shitty thing is majority of our antibiotics and other medications come from there.

One would think pharmaceutical companies would have a vested interest in protecting the Amazon
 

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Want to highlight this part:
In the last half-century, about one-fifth of this forest, or some 300,000 square miles, has been cut and burned in Brazil, whose borders contain almost two-thirds of the Amazon basin. This is an area larger than Texas, the U.S. state that Brazil’s denuded lands most resemble, with their post-forest landscapes of silent sunbaked pasture, bean fields, and evangelical churches. This epochal deforestation — matched by harder to quantify but similar levels of forest degradation and fragmentation — has caused measurable disruptions to regional climates and rainfall.
It has set loose so much stored carbon that it has negated the forest’s benefit as a carbon sink, the world’s largest after the oceans. Scientists warn that losing another fifth of Brazil’s rainforest will trigger the feedback loop known as dieback, in which the forest begins to dry out and burn in a cascading system collapse, beyond the reach of any subsequent human intervention or regret. This would release a doomsday bomb of stored carbon, disappear the cloud vapor that consumes the sun’s radiation before it can be absorbed as heat, and shrivel the rivers in the basin and in the sky.

The catastrophic loss of another fifth of Brazil’s rainforest could happen within one generation. It’s happened before. It’s happening now.
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And I'm pretty sure none of this has ever been factored into the IPCC's already optimistic but still thoroughly depressing scenarios and climate actions. And yet we're hurtling towards that next tipping point of catastrophe with...a shrug I guess?
 

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With stuff like this I honestly don't know what to do. It's horrible this is happening, I can't believe shit like this is allowed to proceed. There should be some sort of international organisation that steps in to protect something of global importance, but that would (rightfully so) be meddling in national Brazilian affairs.

The only people who can stop this only have reasons to keep it going. Most I could do is send some money, me living in the Netherlands and all. But where to send it to?

And I doubt people don't care, just look at the amount of topicviews. But...what can I do?
I'm hardly an expert, but I think the most effective thing to do right now is to donate to the indigenous people. They have a vested interest in protecting the forest and are likely working to fight the fires where they can, so the funds would probably go directly into stopping the current disaster.

https://amazonwatch.org/ seemed like a pretty good charity and has a decent rating on the charity watchdog site I use. There's some other good ones as well, but a lot of them are based in Brazil and are in Portugese, which I don't speak.

For long-term stuff, I like https://www.ran.org/ and https://www.rainforesttrust.org/ , which both purchase rainforest property and hire wardens to look after it and ensure people don't come in and fuck it up.
 

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The comments....

It is almost impossible for people to care about this. One person on a friends timeline said "he looked it up on snapmap and everyone is taking selfies in San Paulo, the air quality is fine. This is probably just exaggerated for outrage."

My dude literally said Snapchat is enough proof for him that nothing is wrong.
 

Hey Please

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The comments....

It is almost impossible for people to care about this. One person on a friends timeline said "he looked it up on snapmap and everyone is taking selfies in San Paulo, the air quality is fine. This is probably just exaggerated for outrage."

My dude literally said Snapchat is enough proof for him that nothing is wrong.
Makes my blood boil. Gotta keep it civil though. Otherwise we might go 0 - 8chan before you can say, "tis an outrage".
 

Leo

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I always knew Bolsonaro would be a nightmare, I just couldn't imagine that it would be a nightmare in a global scale.

There has to be more pressure, he needs to step down.
 

ty_hot

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Macron wrote on twitter that G7 should discuss Amazon in their nedt meeting. As a Brazilian that know Bolsonaro I am absolutely sure that even if sanctions are applied he will not back off.

Today he said that the fire is clearly made by someone in a bicycle or a motorcycle, putting fire in the trees near the highway.

Yeah, a BICYCLE.
 

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Macron wrote on twitter that G7 should discuss Amazon in their nedt meeting. As a Brazilian that know Bolsonaro I am absolutely sure that even if sanctions are applied he will not back off.

Today he said that the fire is clearly made by someone in a bicycle or a motorcycle, putting fire in the trees near the highway.

Yeah, a BICYCLE.
The NGOs evildoers ride in bicycles. They are clearly burning the Amazon forest to show Bolsonaro.
 
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Bolsonaro in a video Tonight

"A country now, I Will not speak a name, said 'our Amazon'. There was a boldness in saying 'our Amazon'. They are interested in you one day having a space here in the Amazon region for him, okay right? "