It's going to take more than just sanctions and blockades are certainly an option.
I also think Military action with planes dumping water would be warranted.
Amazon fires: Brazilian rainforest burning at record rate, space agency warns
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I also think Military action with planes dumping water would be warranted.
I am not even surprised.
No way Bolsonaro and all the "patriotic" military scums in power would allow foreign planes... Unless those were American.
Shooting down planes helping them squelch out of control fires would be a disaster for them.
I don't see him starting a real war to continue to allow destruction of their own country, and by proxy, human civilization.
This video is not from the Amazon forest, and is old. Also, many of the pictures being shared on social media (and this thread) are from decades ago, and some are not even from Brazil.
With that said, the current situation is really bad, and there are plenty of real pictures and data showing the extent of the devastation. It's heartbreaking.
Our military is working part-time because we don't have money (also the reason why we backed from invading Venezuela...). He wouldn't do it but I dont see how planes could help, Amazon is huge and it would take way too many planes flying huge distances (if you assume they fly from a neighboring country, even more) to try to help.
Unfortunately the problem is Bolsonaro himself and we are stuck with him. Dude is letting all the rich and powerful do whatever they want as long as he is allowed to have fun on Twitter amd Facebook.
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Its 1 month old, not that old, yeah not Amazon its another region close, but i think its relevant thats really happenning to other natives in the Amazon forest, And her suffering is real, and only now people are noticing her tribe so idk i wouldnt condemn people sharing that as Amazon forest.
Some planes/helicopters have scoops that pick up water and disperse it.
A blockade on exports would be more effective, but it feels like we should also do more. Hence, fire fighting air vehicles.
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Here's a couple more NGOs that may be worth supporting:
Not even close. The suffering is real. I just don't believe that spreading misinformation do any good. People can share this video as an example of what happens in Brazil, just don't say it is from Amazon or that is from today. Will be harder to engage more people to act when they don't know what is true and what is not.
As I said, there are real pictures to spread information about the Amazon fire.
Unless Governments start doing something then what are we meant to do, thoughts and prayers don't put fires out. People need to come back to reality as the normal person on the street has no power to do anything about it, protesting won't fix this.
That sounds way too much. Not downplaying the fire, but the forest is huge and would take a long time (maybe thats what will happen if nothing is done :/ )
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there's more here:
"The Amazon is on fire - how bad is it?"
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I believe the Amazon in its entirety accounts for 1/5 of the world's oxygen supply....and it is on fire, not literally a 1/5 of the amazon itself. Either way it is bad!
Another place to donate:
And perhaps use a search engine that plants a tree for every 45 searches you use on it:
And perhaps use a search engine that plants a tree for every 45 searches you use on it:
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I see several charities listed in this thread. Are they trustworthy? Anyone know how effective they are?
we need a BDS movement against Brazil and its corporations.
Targeting corporations and sanctioning those who profit from Brazilian fascism is one way to curb the problem. We can also provide material support for the local indigenuous resistances.
Economic sanctions against Brazil itself only hurts the poor in Brazil. You best believe that Bolsanaro and his compradors will divert any economic harm towards the already oppressed within the country. So sanctions of Brazil itself is super dumb. But sanctioning Western corporations would do wonders.
Targeting corporations and sanctioning those who profit from Brazilian fascism is one way to curb the problem. We can also provide material support for the local indigenuous resistances.
Economic sanctions against Brazil itself only hurts the poor in Brazil. You best believe that Bolsanaro and his compradors will divert any economic harm towards the already oppressed within the country. So sanctions of Brazil itself is super dumb. But sanctioning Western corporations would do wonders.
That's the problem, they don't think. They are as dumb as a person can be and are not able to formulate an opinion by themselves, all they do is laugh at memes and help spread misinformation...
I can't believe this isn't bigger news for the world. We really need to put all our effort in to curtail this. It just sucks the mentality that this isn't a problem for Europeans, North Americans, Asia, etc. until it directly affects us.
Look at how much we spend on tackling terrorist organisations like Al Queda and IS, and how we treat those organisations. The damage they have done to people and the world is nothing compared to what Bolsanora is helping to achieve here. If you are spurred on by religious fundamentalism you’re rightly evil. If profit is the ultimate motivator... A OK. This must change.
I agree with you wholeheartedly, and I'm trying to do as much as I can. I don't own a car, use led lighting, recycle, don't eat beef, donate 10 euro's a month to a Dutch environmental charity.
But I could do more. Locally, go full vegan. Unfortunately my stomach's a whiny and picky asshole. Lactose and gluten intolerant and I don't respond well to soy products either.
I could should and wille change that, but at the moment I'm also a part time student, recovering and dealing with a host of mental problems. So funds and energy are sort of at an all time low. Which sucks, because it sounds as an excuse, but it adds to the feeling of helplesness. But I agree with you.
This is very useful, as well as some other tips in this thread, thanks. I'll look into it.
Not only that but Bolsonaro's victory was more or less cheered along by virtually all business media. Corporate entities in the West liked him then and largely still do. Because capitalism doesn't give a fuck.
I think Bolsonaro would see this as an act of war if the planes enter Brazil without permission. On the other hand killing Bolsonaro is like calling out boys on torturing a cat. They are mad for a moment, but not for the rest of their lives.
They didn't have options (in the final voting round, only two candidates are available and they are both terrible). Also, negligence with environment is happening long before this government.
We still need to make pressure to the Government. He is the man in charge, he is responsible now.
Brazil needs to face major sanctions (or even a full blockade) if they refuse to do anything about this.
They want the Amazon destroyed to farm soybeans and beef to sell to China and mine minerals to sell to everyone.
Completely block their exports and maybe that'll get them to stop.
They want the Amazon destroyed to farm soybeans and beef to sell to China and mine minerals to sell to everyone.
Completely block their exports and maybe that'll get them to stop.
I'm glad that outlets are pushing the "you need to care about this because the Amazon effects your air quality" angle, since its effective on that vast majority of people who (sadly) don't give a damn about indigenous people or wildlife.
The brazillin gorvernment and its institutions are already moving to fix the problem.
This will put Bolsonaro in disadvantage in the Mercosul x UE agreement, and it's entirely his fault.
This will put Bolsonaro in disadvantage in the Mercosul x UE agreement, and it's entirely his fault.
This. We should definitly put targeted sanctions that will, sadly, hurt farmers (I don't blame them really, they are trying to make a living). But they may be the only ones who can influence Bolsonaro.
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Bolsonaro had a fairly sizeable majority even in the first round (46%) when there were many other options. He came close to not needing a second round at all. This election just showed the worst of the Brazilian people. This wasn't the usual Brazilian practice of politicians lying to people and acting different from their promises after winning. His senseless hate, disregard for the environment and contempt for the government in general was all there plain to see in his government plan and words, and yet people ate it up.
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You can plant a tree in The Amazon for a buck in Peru :
Afaik, people voted for change in corruption and violence (big levels in Brazil, nothing like what we have in North America). The party responsible for all the mess in the country for decades had a chance to get back, then people got scared and went to the far opposite side.
Of course there are people that voted for his hate, but they are clearly minority. The bulk of voters shifts between sides to avoid the "worst".