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Engineers in the Bay Area. Advertising managers in Chicago. Freight specialists in Arizona. At Amazon, the job listings keep piling up, reflecting a company growing in many directions amid one of the tightest labor markets in memory. On Monday, Amazon said it had 30,000 open positions in the United States, including full- and part-time jobs, in corporate and tech roles, in locations ranging from headquarters offices to tech hubs to fulfillment centers.

The posts, which Amazon said it hoped to fill by early next year, are permanent jobs and do not include hourly, seasonal positions like warehouse workers. More than half the jobs are tech-oriented, the company said.
The sheer number of openings is the latest sign of the company's ambitions colliding with the reality of strong labor markets for both white- and blue-collar workers. Last fall, Amazon raised the minimum wage at its warehouses to $15 an hour, and this summer, the company said it planned to spend $700 million to retrain about a third of its American workers to perform higher-skilled tasks. The effort included a major focus on bulking up the technical chops of its corporate and tech work force, such as turning entry-level coders into data scientists.
Amazon had 653,300 employees globally as of the end of June, not including temp workers and contractors. A little less than half of those are in the United States.

The company has another shadow work force of contractors, ranging from drivers delivering packages to customer service representatives who help sellers on its marketplace.
The 30,000 open positions do not herald a single major new investment, such as two years ago when Amazon announced that it would search for a second headquarters to complement its home in Seattle, which has all but turned into a company town. It said the new headquarters would create 50,000 jobs.

Amazon is now having to rejigger its hiring after the plan to split that second headquarters between two locations — New York City and Arlington, Va., just outside Washington — stumbled. Amazon backed out of New York, saying it would take the 25,000 positions that would have gone to the city and spread them among various smaller hubs, including New York.

The company is holding hiring fairs in six cities on Sept. 17, including Nashville, where Amazon is building a major outpost for its vast logistics operations network, as well as Arlington, Boston, Chicago, Dallas and Seattle.
 
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Tezz

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I'm not allowed to work any of them after I quit without giving notice. Fuck Amazon. Those jobs aren't worth working.

Edit: Hey y'all, I'm not mad they won't re-hire me. I never want to work for them again. I was working at a fulfillment center. Im sure there are better jobs. I just don't appreciate they way they treat their employees.
 
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Vilix

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My question is: How's the pay? What good is a growing job market if the pay doesn't stay up with the cost of living?
 

Dark Knight

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I'm not allowed to work any of them after I quit without giving notice. Fuck Amazon. Those jobs aren't worth working.
I prepare orders part time for Prime through Whole Foods and I like it. Decent pay, super flexible hours, easy work, and manager and co-workers treat me well.

Mind telling me why it's not worth me working there? What other jobs can I do 8-12 hours a week at my choosing for 15 bucks an hour?
 

FliX

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I'm not allowed to work any of them after I quit without giving notice. Fuck Amazon. Those jobs aren't worth working.
So you expect a company to roll out the red carpet after you quit and not gave notice? I mean it's your good right don't get me wrong. At-will employment works both ways. But to expect the other part of the equation to not take note seems silly.
 

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Is this how they justifying automation? "We had jobs open but no one took them".

Automation requires lots of development jobs and specialized support. Automation does not work like it does in the movies currently. You have to design the environment precisely otherwise it won't work.

Automation engineers, correct me if I'm wrong (but this is what I'm told by automation folk at my workplace)
 

Mobius 1

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Corporate jobs are entirely different from fulfillment center jobs, where most of the abysmal reports come from.
Not that it absolves Amazon from their poor track record there, but it should be noted.
 

Tezz

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So you expect a company to roll out the red carpet after you quit and not gave notice? I mean it's your good right don't get me wrong. At-will employment works both ways. But to expect the other part of the equation to not take note seems silly.
I edited my post. I wasn't upset because I can't work there.
 

Socivol

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They treat their employees so poorly. It's well known that regardless of what position you're in Amazon is one of the most brutal tech companies to work for.
 

henhowc

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I know a few people who work at amazon on the tech side. No complaints there. Comparable to google, Facebook, Apple, Microsoft, etc. in that regard I'm sure.
 

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I honestly bet that corporate Amazon is 100x better than fulfillment center Amazon.

Eh, judging by accounts of people I've known who've worked there it's probably half as good, so let's say 50x. It's still kind of a meat grinder but it's a much more abstract one; it's not a job that sounds like it has any security at all.
 

Socivol

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Eh, judging by accounts of people I've known who've worked there it's probably half as good, so let's say 50x. It's still kind of a meat grinder but it's a much more abstract one; it's not a job that sounds like it has any security at all.
I've heard the same corporate Amazon pays well but they are going to work you to death and performance evaluations are brutal. I've heard that from multiple ex-employees actually.
 

NaturalHigh

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I am getting ready to move to a bigger city. Currently hate the corporate side of my job but I cant decide if working for Amazon would be worse. I will probably just transfer to a position with my current company.

Corporate goals and expectations are just so fucked. It amazes me that somehow no one in management for my department can ever do anything to help make my job less stressful. It comes from corporate and everyone just rolls over and people at the bottom get hit with it. Over and over again.
 

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Office jobs are always better than factory jobs and pay more for less work in my experience.

For less work in regards to what?

Any type of engineering job requires a lot of training and expertise in that specific field or application. You are expected to be able to identify, investigate, and resolve issues without 3rd party intervention if possible and you require YEARs of experience in a lot of these listings.

You are being paid more for your ABILITY to do whatever it is that is required.

Working in a fulfillment center does not require specialized knowledge. You are trained to do your entire job there. You are not required to have prior experience, just to be physically capable of doing the job.

So are you doing more physical labor? Absolutely. And you should be compensated fairly for that.

But to say you are being paid more for less work when you work a corp job is understating what is actually required and expected of those people.

I feel like all of the negative posts above yours are from people who didn't read the article. These seem like they would be good jobs, not the nightmare warehouse stuff.

It maybe because office politics dictate which teams or even sections of the company are good / bad. At my company, I did not realize my current department was so functional, otherwise I would have worked towards a promotion a lot sooner.
 

Violence Jack

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I applied there last year, and they called me in for an interview. Wanted me to take a pay cut for a tech job. I told them no way, but applied for a different position with them about a week ago.
 

BloodHound

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Corporate jobs at Amazon pay out the ass. I'm talking 200-300K for people with 5-7 years of experience.
 

Acorn

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For less work in regards to what?

Any type of engineering job requires a lot of training and expertise in that specific field or application. You are expected to be able to identify, investigate, and resolve issues without 3rd party intervention if possible and you require YEARs of experience in a lot of these listings.

You are being paid more for your ABILITY to do whatever it is that is required.

Working in a fulfillment center does not require specialized knowledge. You are trained to do your entire job there. You are not required to have prior experience, just to be physically capable of doing the job.

So are you doing more physical labor? Absolutely. And you should be compensated fairly for that.

But to say you are being paid more for less work when you work a corp job is understating what is actually required and expected of those people.



It maybe because office politics dictate which teams or even sections of the company are good / bad. At my company, I did not realize my current department was so functional, otherwise I would have worked towards a promotion a lot sooner.
Less work as in less physical labour and monitoring(get to piss yay!) plus every office job I've had gets slow periods.

No office job I've had has been as intense as factory work.
 

dragonchild

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Amazon office jobs not being as bad as the fulfillment centers is relative. They're notoriously shitty to work for, even at the office.

Word is (disclaimer: never worked there myself) they pay well, at least on paper, but it's kind of like the big accounting firms where they pay you a salary and then slam you with way more work than you can get done in 40hrs/week. Once you account for all the overtime, your hourly compensation is below industry average.

In any case, even if they treated me well, I don't want to work for a place that treats some people well and others like shit. But I understand this isn't a concern many Americans have, given the way they vote.
 

Acorn

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The physical labor aspect was addressed in my reply!
I know I'm just saying that's what I meant. The busiest I've ever been I had to pull 12 hour shifts for two weeks to manually reconcile all the TBS bank branches NPA accounts because the software broke. That is still preferable to low paid, highly monitored and insecure factory jobs.

Being busy sitting on my ass and getting paid well with some freedom is easy compared to that shit.