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Sheepinator

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[Portions of the story included here for convenience. Full story at the link.]

Amazon.com Inc. employs thousands of people around the world to help improve the Alexa digital assistant powering its line of Echo speakers. The team listens to voice recordings captured in Echo owners' homes and offices. The recordings are transcribed, annotated and then fed back into the software as part of an effort to eliminate gaps in Alexa's understanding of human speech and help it better respond to commands.

The team comprises a mix of contractors and full-time Amazon employees who work in outposts from Boston to Costa Rica, India and Romania, according to the people, who signed nondisclosure agreements barring them from speaking publicly about the program. They work nine hours a day, with each reviewer parsing as many as 1,000 audio clips per shift, according to two workers based at Amazon's Bucharest office, which takes up the top three floors of the Globalworth building in the Romanian capital's up-and-coming Pipera district. The modern facility stands out amid the crumbling infrastructure and bears no exterior sign advertising Amazon's presence.

Sometimes they hear recordings they find upsetting, or possibly criminal. Two of the workers said they picked up what they believe was a sexual assault. When something like that happens, they may share the experience in the internal chat room as a way of relieving stress. Amazon says it has procedures in place for workers to follow when they hear something distressing, but two Romania-based employees said that, after requesting guidance for such cases, they were told it wasn't Amazon's job to interfere.

Amazon, in its marketing and privacy policy materials, doesn't explicitly say humans are listening to recordings of some conversations picked up by Alexa. "We use your requests to Alexa to train our speech recognition and natural language understanding systems," the company says in a list of frequently asked questions.

In Alexa's privacy settings, the company gives users the option of disabling the use of their voice recordings for the development of new features. A screenshot reviewed by Bloomberg shows that the recordings sent to the Alexa auditors don't provide a user's full name and address but are associated with an account number, as well as the user's first name and the device's serial number.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...g-to-you-on-alexa-a-global-team-reviews-audio

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KarmaCow

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Oct 25, 2017
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There are worse jobs but transcribing inane questions from people who own Alexa devices for 9 hours a day is not something I would wish on anyone.

Oh and it's creepy I guess.
 

minus_me

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I changed that setting the first day I got my echo. I also delete my history every once and awhile.
 

Shedinja

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Google does this, too. I think you can actually find and listen to all your "Hey, Google" requests from somewhere on your Google account.
 

Surakian

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Oct 27, 2017
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That shit is creepy. Imagine having to hear somebody get killed or abused or raped and you can't do shit about it.

And then the invasion of privacy it is for people using these devices.
 

Futureman

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Google does this, too. I think you can actually find and listen to all your "Hey, Google" requests from somewhere on your Google account.

This sounds pretty extensive though... like a global team, some 3rd party contractors, working to improve Alexa. Seems like it could easily be abused by a smart person.

Hopefully Amazon has some robust systems in place to anonymize the data.
 

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Today in no shit news. It blows my mind that people pay money to have corporate spy devices in their houses.

BUT THE CONVENIENCE!

You wouldn't change a disc in your console, so why would you manually look up where to buy fresh avocados when you can just ask Alexa?

The utter laziness and contempt our current generations have for ever having to do something if they can avoid/automate it will lead to Skynet.
 

Yerffej

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I set timers, ask about the weather, occasionally play music, and sometimes ask about world events. *shrug*
 

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Google is desperate to get their Home Minis to people. I recently signed up for Google One for more storage and they sent me a Google Home Mini for free. I still have the box sitting unopened on my desk.
 

Breqesk

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yeh it's the same with all voice assistants—Echo/Alexa, Google Home/Assistant, HomePod/Siri. pretty fucked up, buuuut I've already got one in my pocket all the time so it's kinda inescapable.
 

Cbrun44

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Let's be real. Amazon doesn't care about what any specific one of us says to Alexa.

My daughter likes to add "poop sandwiches" to my shopping list. If they find that useful so be it. Other than that my exclusive use is to shut off my bedside lamp and the rare "what is the temperature."
 

tommy7154

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Utter shock for sure.

I am part of the problem here as I'm well aware and dont care enough to not own one. I imagine they love my political hot takes or the sound of the porn playing.

I have it but do keep it unplugged usually. I honestly don't know if that stops it from actually listening or not. I'm imagining and hoping so.
 

Dingens

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Its always nice when another "tinfoil hat conspiracy" turns out to be way too real.
Too bad this community doesn't care much about it as long as it is either an inconvenience or doesn't include Russia in some shape or form.
Just goes to show, that Silicon Valley is rotten to the core, underneath their happy-world-saving facade
 

Sandfox

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I thought this was obvious.

I only use mine for super basic stuff like timers and weather either way.
 

Breqesk

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I actually trust Apple with privacy tbh
that's your prerogative, but they're definitely still doing exactly the same thing as Amazon here:

Apple's Siri also has human helpers, who work to gauge whether the digital assistant's interpretation of requests lines up with what the person said. The recordings they review lack personally identifiable information and are stored for six months tied to a random identifier, according to an Apple security white paper. After that, the data is stripped of its random identification information but may be stored for longer periods to improve Siri's voice recognition.
personally, I'm about as comfortable with Apple employees listening in on the stuff my phone/home speaker thingy records as I am Amazon employees—that is to say, not very, but eh, what can you do?

so far as I'm concerned, all big corporations are garbage, but it's too much of a pain in the arse to not use any of their shit.
 
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This is as shocking as finding out Google has access to things you search for. How did you think they get metrics on whether or not Alexa works? You have to independently verify a sample of results.
 

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that's your prerogative, but they're definitely still doing exactly the same thing as Amazon here:


personally, I'm about as comfortable with Apple employees listening in on the stuff my phone/home speaker thingy records as I am Amazon employees—that is to say, not very, but eh, what can you do?

so far as I'm concerned, all big corporations are garbage, but it's too much of a pain in the arse to not use any of their shit.

Our Overlord Beezosbulb thanks you, his loyal subject, for you support and understanding. Sometimes his minions must translate his subjects requests so his far off appendages can better service his subjects needs and enhance his dark flow of goods and services.

May his drones soon darken the sky.
 

Version 3.0

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Well, duh.

What I find amusing about this is the idea of humans, who I know from experience can be utter shit at transcribing audio (I used to work as a translator/transcriber, plus we've all played 'telephone'), making bad transcriptions and feeding them into the machine learning.
 

score01

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I have Alexa by way of a fire stick. There is nothing more creepy that going into your amazon account and playing back the Alexa recordings.
 

Breqesk

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Our Overlord Beezosbulb thanks you, his loyal subject, for you support and understanding. Sometimes his minions must translate his subjects requests so his far off appendages can better service his subjects needs and enhance his dark flow of goods and services.

May his drones soon darken the sky.
I don't even have Prime bro (or an Echo etc etc)
 

low-G

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Reasons number 1454-6576 why I unplugged our home's Echo Dot within 2 weeks of us getting it a long time ago...

This sort of thing is completely standard practice for machine learning. Anything you put into a network application WILL be view by another human at some point, but these days they don't retain your private nude photos indefinitely, only what the staff overseas takes a picture of with their cellphone.
 

MadMike

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I used to do this kind of contract work for another company I can't name due to an NDA. It's basically just a bunch of transcribing so they can be sure that the assistant is doing what it's being told to do.

99% of it is people giving actual commands, but sometimes you'd hear stuff that clearly wasn't directed at the assistant. In those cases, we had the ability to mark the audio as irrelevant. It's probably more common with Alexa, because it's much easier to trigger than the one I was working on.
 

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I've always assumed anything I ask Alexa is possibly being listened to and/or recorded by Amazon. I don't really care about them knowing what music I'm playing on Spotify (Spotify is already tracking all of that anyway), what I'm adding to my grocery list or that I ask for the weather, news, sports scores etc.

I do worry a tad more about it listening when you haven't said "Alexa," but even then we're so boring that I've neverly been overly concerned about privacy in the first place beyond keeping my passwords rotating and secure for important accounts like finances and what not. I probably should care more, but I just can't be bothered by such things.
 

TheGhost

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Without getting into the nothing to hide fallacy, I still don't see why you would pay for a device tht exists almost exclusivley to help build an advertising profile of you.
I own the device because it's super useful.
Why I'm not bothered by it is because it has zero impact on my day to day life. Maybe I'll start talking shit to it to give them something entertaining to listen to.
 

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Google is desperate to get their Home Minis to people. I recently signed up for Google One for more storage and they sent me a Google Home Mini for free. I still have the box sitting unopened on my desk.
I have two Google Home Minis sitting in my closet from random free specials.

Don't think I'll be setting them up anytime soon.
 

TitanicFall

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Let's be real. Amazon doesn't care about what any specific one of us says to Alexa.

My daughter likes to add "poop sandwiches" to my shopping list. If they find that useful so be it. Other than that my exclusive use is to shut off my bedside lamp and the rare "what is the temperature."

It's always listening though, not just when you decide to talk to it. It's software, and everytime they release updates for it, there's a chance they break something and start recording stuff they weren't supposed to.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/te...a28586/google-home-mini-caught-eavesdropping/
 

Zoe

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I mean, how else do you expect them to train the AI? There needs to be some amount of human oversight at this stage.