I know, I'm just a bit worried about updating to it lol. Thanks though!
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AMD Ryzen 3000 and Radeon RX 5700 - Review Thread
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I know, I'm just a bit worried about updating to it lol. Thanks though!
The chipset driver made the clock ramp up less agressive when there's a small load to reduce the voltages and heat at idle and a small load happens (CPU monitoring tools doing their thing a bit too agressively caused the idle "observer" issue). Apparently, it should keep the agressive clocking behaviour for games, so the regression might simply be a small bug with the game detection or the fact that the chipset driver needs the new ABB bios to fully optimize the whole thing.
This is a good summary regarding the whole voltages and temps of Zen 2 and people freaking out over it. Figured I post it since it keeps getting brought up in here as well.
TL;DR: as long as you're running your CPU at stock and you have a decent enough cooler so it doesn't throttle, everything is fine.
What are the thoughts on the included Wraith Prism coolers? My 3700x came with one, but I'm swapping it out today for an old Cooler Master 212 Evo that I didn't realize is probably better.
Don't swap out the Prism for the old 212 Evo. You won't see any difference in temps and/or performance.
Great work! Please do Arkham Knight, Ryse, Watch Dogs 2 if you can.
Im really tired of my RX 5700 XT....only issues and issues...
Anyone can help me to find out what's going on ?
I did DDU several times to clean drivers and reinstall all from zero...
The problem is the card stops working well, the mice do jumps on my screen (lag) and Youtube restarts, when I open the Wattman....nothing shows up! Is like wattman don't detect the card:
If I start a game...it works but the fans of the card don't work and starts to make a coil whine sound...If I restart the PC all works well...until it happens again. I don't know what to do...im really starting to think to return the card and get 2070 super, I prefer to pay more and have no issues. (my first time with AMD GPU and kinda dissappointed tbh...)
Anyone can help me to find out what's going on ?
I did DDU several times to clean drivers and reinstall all from zero...
The problem is the card stops working well, the mice do jumps on my screen (lag) and Youtube restarts, when I open the Wattman....nothing shows up! Is like wattman don't detect the card:
If I start a game...it works but the fans of the card don't work and starts to make a coil whine sound...If I restart the PC all works well...until it happens again. I don't know what to do...im really starting to think to return the card and get 2070 super, I prefer to pay more and have no issues. (my first time with AMD GPU and kinda dissappointed tbh...)
That's the board I went with. No complaints thus far, but I'm not really trying to overclock this 3900x.
I agree that voltages (and as a result, temperatures) fluctuating is normal behavior. I think the problem is that some users, including myself, are seeing voltages staying constant on the upper end of the spectrum despite there being no workload on the CPU.
It probably varies with the motherboard, and I really just think it's just up to the motherboard manufacturers to update them appropriately.
Could be a driver bug or something with Windows. Did you try older driver versions? If you have afterburner installed it could mess things up.Im really tired of my RX 5700 XT....only issues and issues...
Anyone can help me to find out what's going on ?
I did DDU several times to clean drivers and reinstall all from zero...
The problem is the card stops working well, the mice do jumps on my screen (lag) and Youtube restarts, when I open the Wattman....nothing shows up! Is like wattman don't detect the card:
If I start a game...it works but the fans of the card don't work and starts to make a coil whine sound...If I restart the PC all works well...until it happens again. I don't know what to do...im really starting to think to return the card and get 2070 super, I prefer to pay more and have no issues. (my first time with AMD GPU and kinda dissappointed tbh...)
You could try to reinstall Windows.
What is advised for someone with a 2600x / B450 mobo thinking about upgrading to Zen 2, worth it or not really? I can't upgrade my motherboard any time soon. But I am curious...
Im really tired of my RX 5700 XT....only issues and issues...
Anyone can help me to find out what's going on ?
I did DDU several times to clean drivers and reinstall all from zero...
The problem is the card stops working well, the mice do jumps on my screen (lag) and Youtube restarts, when I open the Wattman....nothing shows up! Is like wattman don't detect the card:
If I start a game...it works but the fans of the card don't work and starts to make a coil whine sound...If I restart the PC all works well...until it happens again. I don't know what to do...im really starting to think to return the card and get 2070 super, I prefer to pay more and have no issues. (my first time with AMD GPU and kinda dissappointed tbh...)
You would be better off posting in r/AMD or the AMD support forum, particularly the latter.
B450 can handle 3600(X)/3700X just fine (with some few exceptions, see link below). No new MoBo necessary.
You can check your MobO support for Ryzen 3000 support here: Ryzen 3000 Compatibility Chart
Get the 5700XT. It's the sweet spot in price performance but it's not saying much these days.
The 2070 Super is 100 dollars more and doesn't make much difference in benchmarks.
The reason people freak out is because we remember Sudden Northwood Death Syndrome back in the early aughts. 1.5V on some variant of 7nm seems sui-fucking-cidal for a CPU. Double that when it's stock air cooled and will be operating at a higher aggregate temperature than a closed loop or other enthusiast cooling kit. When the CPU is operating voltage that high on channel lengths that small it trips people's sanity checks as it should. It doesn't mean instant failure but possibly (a lot) more CPUs failing just outside the warranty period. Only time will tell if AMD have truly fucked up here but I'm comfortable placing my bet on a Zen 2 scandal in a few years as these things start failing like crazy.
You're right that it does seem scary when we're getting to these tiny feature sizes and FinFET being way more sensitive to all this compared to like 32nm that could take a beating like a camp. You'd assume that AMD and TSMC's engineers know what the fuck they're doing when it comes to longevity. Still, there's a difference between shoving 1.5V through a single core under low loads and people doing an all core OC at 1.35V and thinking they'll be fine in the long run. But yeah, only time will tell.
Got my Ryzen 7 3700X, now running in a ASRock X470 K4.
Running pretty good but the temp and clock numbers are only reporting correcthly in the Ryzen Master tool, which is a bit annoying. Seems like my Noctua cooler is still OK but I might need to upgrade - can't tell with this hot summer temperatures heh.
Running pretty good but the temp and clock numbers are only reporting correcthly in the Ryzen Master tool, which is a bit annoying. Seems like my Noctua cooler is still OK but I might need to upgrade - can't tell with this hot summer temperatures heh.
I'm sure they do, but there's also enormous commercial pressure to keep up with Intel. Like how they're operating Radeon cards right on the edge of max frequency, it doesn't bode well for faith that engineers haven't been ordered to put the performance as high as possible and any consequences of that decision are a problem for AMD + 3 years. And yeah, I know it's stupid but the whole situation doesn't feel right.
Mindfactory.de sales numbers (units) of CPUs July 2019:
A 79/21 split in favor of AMD!
Good lord.... In any case its mostly deserved. The issues I see with this launch so far is I don't like that not ALL the cores can hit the boost numbers they put out. If thats the case they should be really clear.. "2 cores can boost to XXX... the next two will boost to XXX" etc. And outside of that, the teething issues with the motherboard bios settings and game issues with Destiny for example. They really need to get those addressed before the end of August at the latest. If they are launching the 3950x in September while still having "New launch issues" with the entire previous set of chips and boards, that will look really bad. But if they can clean it up, it should be fine. Early adopters always take it in the teeth on stuff like that.
Played Battlefield V for 3 hours straight and performance feels so much more consistent on 3900x compared to i7 6700k.
No stutters at all during gameplay.
No stutters at all during gameplay.
Fine enough for Stock. Any OCing i would recommend an aftermath cooler.
They start at the same price as the already good founders edition
A moot point though because it looks like some custom 5700 XT (from Powercolor anyway) will also retail for the same price as the reference card
Did you have to mess with voltages or was it simply tick the boxes and done? Also which mobo?
I simply just enabled PBO in the bios. Did not mess with the voltages.
Asus Crosshair Hero w/wifi x570 board here.
ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus
I simply activated AutoOC, set it to level 3 then activated PBO and set it to +200mhz. That's pretty much all I did and it provided some significant diffenrence on benchmark results. You do not need to temper with the cpu voltage. Zen 2 does its own thing. You can however set a cpu offset voltage of -0.05 to gain a bit more in multicore performance but you'll lose on single core performance.
Same upgrade and I can confirm. So much smoother, it's insane the difference. GTA V as well is way better.
I went with the RX 5700XT but the 2070 Super is a very good choice too but i didn't want to spend $500.They start at the same price as the already good founders edition
A moot point though because it looks like some custom 5700 XT (from Powercolor anyway) will also retail for the same price as the reference card
If customs around ref price are decent cooling/noise wise I'm also getting one I think (haven't decided yet between 5700 or XT).
Was leaning towards the Super at first because I was sure custom Navis were gonna be at least $50 more but at ref price they're mighty tempting.
Actually had a 2080 just a few months ago that I sold and I think I'm done with $500+ GPUs
This brutal slaying could be made into a standalone thread:
In July, for each 1 Intel CPU sold on mindfactory.de, AMD managed to sell 4 more.
3900X was supply limited, and surprisingly 3600X did not sold much. 3700X is clear favorite, it almost sold like an entire lineup of Intel combined.
In July, for each 1 Intel CPU sold on mindfactory.de, AMD managed to sell 4 more.
3900X was supply limited, and surprisingly 3600X did not sold much. 3700X is clear favorite, it almost sold like an entire lineup of Intel combined.
Based on all tests I saw on the internet the the 3900X, 3700X and 3600 were the recommended CPUs in the ine-up. 3600X and 3800X are seen as obsolete by most testers I follow (bad performance gain/per $ ratio).This brutal slaying could be made into a standalone thread:
In July, for each 1 Intel CPU sold on mindfactory.de, AMD managed to sell 4 more.
3900X was supply limited, and surprisingly 3600X did not sold much. 3700X is clear favorite, it almost sold like an entire lineup of Intel combined.
3800x doesn't offer much over a 3700x and 3600x offers nothing over a 3600, so it makes sense :)
Found this post about how this person fixed their idle speeds/power usage.
Lowering the minimum power state percentage seems to fix the voltage issue for me. Now it goes under 1v during idle. it still occasional spikes up to 1.3-4 for a second, but goes back to normal quickly.
So far programs messing with the windows timer resolution, causing interrupt load and hence clock response seems to 100% correlate with this "issue". The proper fix (other than just accepting it/slowing down clock response) is to get those background applications fixed.
See also: "Windows Timer Resolution: Megawatts Wasted", TimerTool, or run 'powercfg /energy /duration 5' from an admin shell.
Programs known to do this: Steam (due to Chromium integration), Telegram, nVidia Geforce Experience Overlay, Logitech G Hub...
Knowing the culprits doesn't immediately solve the problem, unless you can live without them, but at least now you know why .
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God damn, that 50/50 split from exactly a year ago compared to now.Mindfactory.de sales numbers (units) of CPUs July 2019:
A 79/21 split in favor of AMD!
Which one specifically? I have seen MSi B450 Tomahawk boards running Ryzen 3000 CPUs just fine. IIRC Hardware Unboxed is even testing on that very motherboard ...