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AMD Ryzen 3000 and Radeon RX 5700 - Review Thread

Black_Stride

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b0uncyfr0 said:
Can anyone point me to comparisons between a highly clocked 3770k vs a 3600 or above? I want to upgrade but i think my 3700k at 4.7 is doing a decent job still.
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For gaming its not a huge upgrade specially if its a highly clocked i7 but the IPC benefits from the 3600X, 3700X and 3900X will eat through the 3770K easily.
And if you dont need the upgrade why not hold out and upgrade your graphics card instead?

Unless theres something you need cores and processing power for e.g Rendering.
At which point you are only looking at 3700X and above.

The 3770K is just below a 7600K so wherever you see a 7600K assume your chip does just worse than that.
You could also just look at any 8700K reviews and assume the 3600 comes in very close to that.
I think when the 8700K was being reviewed people actually included the 3770K

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Productivity the 3700X is a big upgrade.
Gaming the 3600 is decent, the 3700X is an actual upgrade.
 
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Black_Stride said:
The 3770K is just below a 7600K so wherever you see a 7600K assume your chip does just worse than that.
You could also just look at any 8700K reviews and assume the 3600 comes in very close to that.
I think when the 8700K was being reviewed people actually included the 3770K
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Nice thanks mate! I think I might hold off then since I mainly game (around 1260p to 1440p).
 
Cordelia

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I'm looking to upgrade my old i5 4460 to 3600, anyone has an idea how much improvement can I get?

Also, if I use gtx 970 with 3600, will I get bottleneck?
 
Tortahegesztő

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Cordelia said:
I'm looking to upgrade my old i5 4460 to 3600, anyone has an idea how much improvement can I get?

Also, if I use gtx 970 with 3600, will I get bottleneck?
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Quite a lot improvement in modern, more threaded games considering your minimum framerate, and should be a decent jump in single threaded applications as well.
Of course the 970 will be your new limiting factor, but it's a several years old card at this point, and most of the options in games you can turn down will affect your gpu load, while you can't really do much nowadays to reduce the cpu impact of a game. Like maybe LOD and particle effects, but that's about it.
 
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Tortahegesztő said:
Quite a lot improvement in modern, more threaded games considering your minimum framerate, and should be a decent jump in single threaded applications as well.
Of course the 970 will be your new limiting factor, but it's a several years old card at this point, and most of the options in games you can turn down will affect your gpu load, while you can't really do much nowadays to reduce the cpu impact of a game. Like maybe LOD and particle effects, but that's about it.
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Thanks, I'm still waiting for b450 Max to enter my country before upgrading. I don't really want to spend too much to get x570.

As for GPU, I'm looking forward to 2060 Super.
 
Tortahegesztő

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Cordelia said:
Thanks, I'm still waiting for b450 Max to enter my country before upgrading. I don't really want to spend too much to get x570.
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Yeah, definitely wait for the max boards. I have a standard b450 and it works, but it would have been a bit smoother sailing if I've just waited a bit.
Also: after updating to the latest (7C02v1A) BIOS for the Tomahawk B450 the 3600 boosts a bit higher compared to the v18 BIOS, but the default auto option gives like 0.1 volt more to the cpu. While memory voltage is a bit lower and had to choose proper clocks and timings under another option, since the xmp line is greyed out.
Also also: After the bios update (not sure if it had something to do with it, or just MS servers got their stuff together) my windows finally got recognised as activatedd via digital licence. I was worried I have to buy Windows again because of the upgrade.
 
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Md Ray

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Cordelia said:
I'm looking to upgrade my old i5 4460 to 3600, anyone has an idea how much improvement can I get?

Also, if I use gtx 970 with 3600, will I get bottleneck?
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This video should give you a pretty good idea of what kind of perf you can expect going from 3.5 GHz 4C/4T to Zen 2 core. Same GPU (GTX 970), although it's 3700X, but the 3600 isn't that far off from that CPU in gaming workloads when that GPU is the primary limiting factor.
 
Cordelia

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This video should give you a pretty good idea of what kind of perf you can expect going from 3.5 GHz 4C/4T to Zen 2 core. Same GPU (GTX 970), although it's 3700X, but the 3600 isn't that far off from that CPU in gaming workloads when that GPU is the primary limiting factor.
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That's pretty good improvement although not as high as I expected. Still need to upgrade GPU then.
 
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Best "budget" x570 board? Still not sure if I should just grab one of those, or just end up with the Tomahawk, which actually showed up in stock after not checking for like two weeks. Still have no release date for the Tomahawk Max in Canada.
 

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b0uncyfr0 said:
Nice thanks mate! I think I might hold off then since I mainly game (around 1260p to 1440p).
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I upgraded from a 3770k OCed to about 4.5ghz for the last ~7 years to a Ryzen 3700x.

If you're looking to just hit 60 FPS it will still hold up for the most part if you keep the GPU up.

With 4 cores its starting to become a tad obsolete for gaming though it'll last a bit longer. Some games definitely want more than 4 now depending on what you play and those are the games you'll feel it the most on especially if you turn off Hyperthreading to hit that overclock. It also reached the point where it multitasked very poorly while I was playing some things.

I upgraded because it was starting to struggle in some games like Total War where I could really feel the turn times and I got tired of it needing to use so much power for normal activity.

Its definitely a solid time to buy, but that may also continue with the chipmakers being in a competitive range now.
 
ss_lemonade

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b0uncyfr0 said:
Can anyone point me to comparisons between a highly clocked 3770k vs a 3600 or above? I want to upgrade but i think my 3700k at 4.7 is doing a decent job still.
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Not exactly a similar setup, but I upgraded from a 3570k that was at 4.4-4.5 ghz to a 3700x and it was a really good upgrade overall to me. Some games that ran awful on the 3570k (Final Fantasy 15, Division 2) perform so much better now. The biggest issues I had before were microstuttering and what I think are low minimum framerates.

This is all at the highest resolution I can use (either 3440x1440 or 4k, depending on if I use my TV or monitor) paired with a 1080 Ti.
 
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b0uncyfr0 said:
Can anyone point me to comparisons between a highly clocked 3770k vs a 3600 or above? I want to upgrade but i think my 3700k at 4.7 is doing a decent job still.
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My 3900x is arriving today finally and I hope I can make out the upgrade. My 3770k (@4200) was stressed a lot lately with games like battlefield (struggle icon all the time, full stress on all cores in task manager), Assassin's Creed and strategy games like Anno 1800. In either games gpu utilization was quite low. And I do not own a 4k display.

I know the 3900x is a bit overkill right now but I don't want to upgrade that part again for as long as possible like since the 3770.
 
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Hardware Unboxed provide an interesting look at the gaming performance of the Ryzen 5 3600, Ryzen 9 3900X and the i9 9900K.



In Assassin's Creed Odyssey, gains of up-to 21% can be seen for the minimum frame rate of the Ryzen 9 3900X versus the Ryzen 5 3600.
Zen 2's performance in Assassin's Creed Origins and Odyssey has really impressed me, I was blown away by the performance of my Ryzen 5 3600 in Assassin's Creed Origins.

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BeI

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Cordelia said:
I'm looking to upgrade my old i5 4460 to 3600, anyone has an idea how much improvement can I get?

Also, if I use gtx 970 with 3600, will I get bottleneck?
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If you play stuff like PUBG or Battlefield, it will make a huge difference. I had one and went from a stuttery mess to buttery smooth with a 2600, with performance to spare. 3600 should be even better.
 
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Posted this in the builders thread, but thought I might ask here as well. :)

Looking at upgrading from a 4790k+980m laptop that constantly throttles to a 3700x+2070 Super. Are there any good benchmarks out there for how it would handle gaming at 1440p? So many benchmarks seem to either be 1080p or 4k, from what I can see. :/
 
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BeImonkey said:
If you play stuff like PUBG or Battlefield, it will make a huge difference. I had one and went from a stuttery mess to buttery smooth with a 2600, with performance to spare. 3600 should be even better.
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I'm playing MMO so there should be a lot of improvement. My current PC suffer a lot when there are more than 100 people.

Btw, I'm thinking of getting X570 instead of waiting for B450 max for a bit of future proofing. Anyone have any idea if Zen3 will still use AM4?
 
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Cordelia said:
I'm playing MMO so there should be a lot of improvement. My current PC suffer a lot when there are more than 100 people.

Btw, I'm thinking of getting X570 instead of waiting for B450 max for a bit of future proofing. Anyone have any idea if Zen3 will still use AM4?
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I'm pretty sure Zen 3 will use AM4.
 
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Cordelia said:
I'm playing MMO so there should be a lot of improvement. My current PC suffer a lot when there are more than 100 people.

Btw, I'm thinking of getting X570 instead of waiting for B450 max for a bit of future proofing. Anyone have any idea if Zen3 will still use AM4?
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Zen 3 will likely be the last CPU for AM4. And since AMD said AM4 will be supported until 2020 and Zen 3 is releasing during 2020, yeah, that's it. Speaking of which, they finalized the design for Zen 3 fairly recently.
 
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They released a beta driver for Destiny 2 that appears to be working from what I read in the comments.
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Yep, it is. I recently picked up a 3900x and dropped it into a x370 board. It's pretty much heaven. Running D2 at 1440, maxed with OBS recording on Fast settings (30000kbps) and it never goes past 50%. Need to get me a x570 proto.

Been playing D2 for the past 2 hours, no issues yet.
 
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shadowhaxor said:
Yep, it is. I recently picked up a 3900x and dropped it into a x370 board. It's pretty much heaven. Running D2 at 1440, maxed with OBS recording on Fast settings (30000kbps) and it never goes past 50%. Need to get me a x570 proto.

Been playing D2 for the past 2 hours, no issues yet.
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Dope. Please keep us updated on this.

Given I have a couple thousand hours in Destiny 2, I won't be making any moves until I'm sure my experience in my preferred pastime doesn't do anything but get better. The CPU being better in a bunch of other games doesn't mean shit if you have problems in the few games you actually play, that you bought the upgrades for in the first place.

Speaking of upgrades...are there any videos out there comparing the new Ryzen processors and Intel processors' performance on VR titles? That really is the most difficult place to get high frames and I'm very curious to know what kind of performance differences are out there between the higher-end processors from both companies on the most demanding VR titles.
 
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Timu said:
I'm pretty sure Zen 3 will use AM4.
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Zen 3 will likely be the last CPU for AM4. And since AMD said AM4 will be supported until 2020 and Zen 3 is releasing during 2020, yeah, that's it. Speaking of which, they finalized the design for Zen 3 fairly recently.
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Thanks for the information. Any idea if B450 will be supported for Zen3 or it's better to just get X570 if I have plan to upgrade to Zen3 in the future?
 
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Cordelia said:
Thanks for the information. Any idea if B450 will be supported for Zen3 or it's better to just get X570 if I have plan to upgrade to Zen3 in the future?
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Way to early to know. But if X370 is still supported as of now, I'd imagine it would be as well. Adding to that, I really wouldn't jump the gun just yet. Since we don't know 100% what's going to happen after Zen 3. Zen 4, which is in planning already, might use a different socket.
 
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Cordelia said:
Thanks for the information. Any idea if B450 will be supported for Zen3 or it's better to just get X570 if I have plan to upgrade to Zen3 in the future?
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As far the TDP of the CPUs don't outgrow the specifications of those boards I see no reason why they couldn't feature Zen 3. The main difference between B450 and X470 was SLI support IIRC, and between B450 and X570 it is PCIe Gen 4 and more IO. I also tend to believe that AMD will try to lower the TDP again with Zen 3.
 
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shadowhaxor said:
Way to early to know. But if X370 is still supported as of now, I'd imagine it would be as well. Adding to that, I really wouldn't jump the gun just yet. Since we don't know 100% what's going to happen after Zen 3. Zen 4, which is in planning already, might use a different socket.
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As far the TDP of the CPUs don't outgrow the specifications of those boards I see no reason why they couldn't feature Zen 3. The main difference between B450 and X470 was SLI support IIRC, and between B450 and X570 it is PCIe Gen 4 and more IO. I also tend to believe that AMD will try to lower the TDP again with Zen 3.
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Thanks you both. I don't really need SLI and PCIe 4 so maybe B450 is more than enough for me. I've asked neither MSI local representative and distributor and neither have any information about when max board will come here :(
 
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Mecha Meister said:
Hardware Unboxed provide an interesting look at the gaming performance of the Ryzen 5 3600, Ryzen 9 3900X and the i9 9900K.



In Assassin's Creed Odyssey, gains of up-to 21% can be seen for the minimum frame rate of the Ryzen 9 3900X versus the Ryzen 5 3600.
Zen 2's performance in Assassin's Creed Origins and Odyssey has really impressed me, I was blown away by the performance of my Ryzen 5 3600 in Assassin's Creed Origins.
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I don't know why they didn't test with higher settings or 4K. I mean would anyone play AC Odyssey on medium with a 2080 Ti? I would expect as the details and resolution go up the difference between 3600 and higher end CPUs would shrink to nothing. In Techspot's review AC Odyssey 1440p Very high does not seem to scale much beyond 6c/6t as the 9600K and 3600 gives about the same results as 3700X.
 
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I don't know why they didn't test with higher settings or 4K. I mean would anyone play AC Odyssey on medium with a 2080 Ti? I would expect as the details and resolution go up the difference between 3600 and higher end CPUs would shrink to nothing. In Techspot's review AC Odyssey 1440p Very high does not seem to scale much beyond 6c/6t as the 9600K and 3600 gives about the same results as 3700X.
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4K and high settings test the GPU more than the CPU. The purpose of running low quality settings with a 2080 Ti is to make the GPU irrelevant so we get to see the difference between the CPUs.
 
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4K and high settings test the GPU more than the CPU. The purpose of running low quality settings with a 2080 Ti is to make the GPU irrelevant so we get to see the difference between the CPUs.
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Sure, I get that but at the same time it makes for a skewed view of the real world performance at settings people would use. People might assume that because at 1440p medium there are differences that those differences apply to 1440p very high too which is not the case. I think it would be important to include too just as a data point.
 

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Sure, I get that but at the same time it makes for a skewed view of the real world performance at settings people would use. People might assume that because at 1440p medium there are differences that those differences apply to 1440p very high too which is not the case. I think it would be important to include too just as a data point.
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But they did test it like that. They have 1440p with ultra details for every game. Its in the video.
 
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laxu said:
I don't know why they didn't test with higher settings or 4K. I mean would anyone play AC Odyssey on medium with a 2080 Ti? I would expect as the details and resolution go up the difference between 3600 and higher end CPUs would shrink to nothing. In Techspot's review AC Odyssey 1440p Very high does not seem to scale much beyond 6c/6t as the 9600K and 3600 gives about the same results as 3700X.
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They did test 1080p and 1440p with higher settings, I only included their medium test in my post to showcase the kind of gains that can be seen when predominantly CPU-bound. Sorry I should have made that clearer.

Here's where the Assassin's Creed Odyssey performance tests appear:

 
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But they did test it like that. They have 1440p with ultra details for every game. Its in the video.
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My bad totally. I really hate these YouTube video reviews because you can't easily skim them compared to an article you could go through in a minute. It doesn't help that they go back and forth to these graphs so even when you think you found the right spot it's just the repeat of an earlier section.

In any case, the difference shrinks to levels where the increased price of the higher end CPUs is not worth it unless you have other use cases for those extra cores.
 
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ASUS Radeon RX 5700 XT ROG STRIX OC reviews (1440p performance summary):


Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT Pulse reviews (1440p performance summary):

 
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Cordelia said:
That's pretty good improvement although not as high as I expected. Still need to upgrade GPU then.
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Yes, it is likely that testing those games at 1080p made the GPU a limiting factor to a certain degree. If these games were tested at 720, then the difference would have been even larger between those CPUs. Still, if you compare the 1% [Min FPS] alone, it is somewhere around 130-150% higher, on average, using 3700X compared to 4C/4T Intel Ivy Bridge with the same GPU (GTX 970).
 
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I'm trying to decide which motherboard to pair with my eventual 3900x. The Gigabyte AORUS PRO WIFI or MSI MPG X570 Gaming PRO Carbon WiFi. I'm leaning towards the MSI as I use a MSI on my current 2500k build.
 
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I'm trying to decide which motherboard to pair with my eventual 3900x. The Gigabyte AORUS PRO WIFI or MSI MPG X570 Gaming PRO Carbon WiFi. I'm leaning towards the MSI as I use a MSI on my current 2500k build.
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I'm personally using the ASUS TUF Gaming X570-Plus and it's working wonders! Plus, it's not incredibly expensive and you also have Wi-Fi.
 
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