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The fact that people would choose to avoid the hospital until its too late because they can't afford to go to the hospital. I have heard that story too many times.
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America and universal healthcare
- Thread starter EddyZacianLand
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US doctors see it as a "why not both" type deal. They want to save lives and make lots of money, which they currently do. People from all over the world travel to see US specialists. Those doctors are saving lives that likely would have been lost elsewhere, and they're being paid unfathomable sums to do it. You're not going to change their mind by saying they should care about poor people instead.
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They still prefer wealth over health because its a for profit business, which it absolutely shouldn't be. Profit shouldn't be a consideration when it comes to people's health.
US Doctors seem to me like this: 'if you can't afford healthcare, then I don't care about you and can die for all I care.'
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Yeah I really agree here but unfortunately there's too many transphobic folk on this island.
A lot of the places that voted Biden over Bernie in the primaries were Republican states anyways.
You're starting to understand what our country is all about!
Most Americans also know how the Senate works and that Sanders wouldn't be able to enact UHC, so it didn't fucking matter at all as a difference issue.
Remember that the most rural 20% of the country gets 40% of the Senate.
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At least Bernie would be fighting for it whereas Joe, doesn't bother.
Please tell me how "fighting for it" gets it to 60 votes.
You clearly have no understanding of even the absolutely basics of American politics.
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I mean he would be trying to get it done, yes he would most likely fail but then at least it would show more people the very limited power of the presidency atm
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I have seen people who claim that you all would be better off with Bernie in the White House and he was the key to UHC, so I don't think everyone does.
Not sure what that has to do with the understanding the limited power of the presidency.
The US has a weaker federal government and much more powerful states than most countries, and zero states have managed to pass UHC for themselves. It isn't remotely close on the federal level.
I'm talking like 30 votes, when it needs 60. There is no scenario where it doesn't lead to such a. Massive backlash that gets undone in the tsunami trifecta from Republicans.
Even the ACA changing which plans were available was absolutely brutal for Obama.
I'm talking like 30 votes, when it needs 60. There is no scenario where it doesn't lead to such a. Massive backlash that gets undone in the tsunami trifecta from Republicans.
Even the ACA changing which plans were available was absolutely brutal for Obama.
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Historically medical doctors were the most reliable Republican voting block in the US. It's been true all through the 20th century. It's been shifting in the last couple of decades, but doctors are still quite conservative, and the high prestige, high pay specialties are still mostly dominated by Republicans, as are most of their organization/lobbying groups.
TV shows make American doctors seem way more liberal than they are in reality.
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Medical debt is the number 1 reason that most people file for bankruptcy in the US according to a 2019 study.
According to the census, in 2019, 92% of Americans had health insurance. According to polling, the majority of Americans give a good rating of the insurance they have:
Even with the highest deductible, 46% of those folks gave their insurance an A or a B.
We should absolutely expand our healthcare options in a way that doesn't tie your coverage to your employment status. But advocates are essentially stepping on rakes whenever they message this as "people don't have coverage" or "people hate their private insurance." Most people do have coverage and they rate it favorably. It's about helping people who don't and the messaging has to acknowledge that this group is smaller than a majority for sure. A voter who is in the majority (has coverage, rates it excellent or good) isn't going to agree with the statement that "private insurance sucks and needs to be torn down."
Even with the highest deductible, 46% of those folks gave their insurance an A or a B.
We should absolutely expand our healthcare options in a way that doesn't tie your coverage to your employment status. But advocates are essentially stepping on rakes whenever they message this as "people don't have coverage" or "people hate their private insurance." Most people do have coverage and they rate it favorably. It's about helping people who don't and the messaging has to acknowledge that this group is smaller than a majority for sure. A voter who is in the majority (has coverage, rates it excellent or good) isn't going to agree with the statement that "private insurance sucks and needs to be torn down."
This looks like it's only a survey of employer-sponsored insurance? In my experience, insurance via ACA has way higher deductibles, on average.According to the census, in 2019, 92% of Americans had health insurance. According to polling, the majority of Americans give a good rating of the insurance they have:
Even with the highest deductible, 46% of those folks gave their insurance an A or a B.
We should absolutely expand our healthcare options in a way that doesn't tie your coverage to your employment status. But advocates are essentially stepping on rakes whenever they message this as "people don't have coverage" or "people hate their private insurance." Most people do have coverage and they rate it favorably. It's about helping people who don't and the messaging has to acknowledge that this group is smaller than a majority for sure. A voter who is in the majority (has coverage, rates it excellent or good) isn't going to agree with the statement that "private insurance sucks and needs to be torn down."
I'm on Oscar Bronze Simple with a monthly payment of $630, an individual deductible of $7300 and a family deductible of $14600. Oh and of course, in 2022, that's increasing to $8000 and $16000.
And this is a BRONZE plan.
According to the census, in 2019, 92% of Americans had health insurance. According to polling, the majority of Americans give a good rating of the insurance they have:
Even with the highest deductible, 46% of those folks gave their insurance an A or a B.
We should absolutely expand our healthcare options in a way that doesn't tie your coverage to your employment status. But advocates are essentially stepping on rakes whenever they message this as "people don't have coverage" or "people hate their private insurance." Most people do have coverage and they rate it favorably. It's about helping people who don't and the messaging has to acknowledge that this group is smaller than a majority for sure. A voter who is in the majority (has coverage, rates it excellent or good) isn't going to agree with the statement that "private insurance sucks and needs to be torn down."
I was basically going to post the same thing because this is repeatedly overlooked in these discussions. People underestimate the inertia of the healthcare system. Most people like the healthcare they have (or think they have, seeing how most have never had to test it in a real medical crisis) and this impacts opinions. It doesn't matter if the public option is better to these people. You're asking them to change something they know and like to something they don't know. That's a big ask for something as important as healthcare.
Eapecially with special interest groups that have a lot of money and influence constantly opposing it.
Disclaimer: I'm not American, I'm a medical doctor in Sweden. I fully support universal healthcare but I actually work for a private clinic financed through said universal healthcare, because the government is a horrible employer for healthcare workers here. We make a small profit but accept all patients for basically free, same as the government run clinics. I follow the US debate because it both contrasts and influences the healthcare debate in Sweden.
Yes, correct. But of the 92% of Americans who have insurance, the vast majority of them have employer-sponsored plans or Medicare (older folks of course).