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Analysts Challenges Assertion Switch Is Not Selling Well; Selling Faster Than PS4
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They tried too. Labo was a big part of their plan to grow the Switch's audience that ended up not working out. I heard this same argument last year. "Nintendo has nothing between Zelda and Mario no one cares about a port like Mario Kart and Splatoon." Difference is last year worked out way better for them then this year in that regard.
Personally I don't find it healthy to compare Switch to PS4 at all. It launched $100 less than PS4 did. It's portable and a lot less power than PS4 too, so it excels at a different subset of games. Probably the closest comparable thing to Switch is Vita, then 3DS. All these are portable and launched around $300. Switch is doing way better than Vita/3DS. If you're a gamer it's your indie/portable/nintendo machine. But PS4 comparisons create unrealistic expectations for ports of AAA box console games to Switch which in turn cause constant problems and debates on power. Its the media that loves these comparisons because it's console warmongering clickbait.
Reasonable stance. Unfortunately, people are fueled by these comparisons, as they date back as far as 1995/6 (between Nintendo and Sony)? No matter how different the market, they will always be compared. I agree with you that it's pretty pointless at this point. I feel Nintendo and Sony, and soon Microsoft, have their own unique market now. It will only be more difficult to compare them going forward.
It is disappointing because sales of Apple products are slowing down all together. That is not the case with Nintendo and investors need to know it.
It's important to keep in mind that investors/companies/analysts are always chiming in about what a company should be doing better and selling more. Just look at Apple and all the discussion around them.
Investors did get a little too excited on Nintendo and I think expectations are just coming down a little.
I guess this year Nintendo's sales solely lies on Pokémon 2019 and I'm also guessing Nintendo hopes people flock to it like they did for Let's Go.
I think Nintendo thought they were conservative with 20m. Maybe they intended selling much more than that ? Probably thought the Labo bubble was a real thing. Reality caught up, Labo wasn't the hit they expected and then, their conservative estimate became a meme estimation. Seems like a possible scenario to me.
Japan is a small country, Europe is huge. Big difference.
Launch aligned doesn't matter that much, it's holding big numbers for years and years that matter and that's exactly why PS4 sales are impressive in 2018.
You're forgetting Animal Crossing. Easily an easy 10m seller that will push hardware sales. That's a big hitter no doubt.
I can see a Nintendo Kart happening too. I think that's one the big surprise they have for 2019.
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Japan is one of the top three markets for video game sales. Nintendo performs extremely strongly in two of the top three European markets as well.
Switch sales are doing well. The idea that it only sells in some regions, or at some points of the year, like Xbox, is inaccurate and a misrepresentation.
Yeah I can definitely see that being the majority of the movement over the past week. But part of it is probably due to Nintendo not really reassuring anyone about their 2019 plans.
Ideally that will change soon once they reveal some plans (like maybe the price of the rumored revision).
I think Nintendo actually tried to do this. I guess they thought hitting 20m would be easy, and then they would overdeliver on top of that. But something went wrong. Maybe it was Labo, maybe it was the delayed games, but they probably thought they could hit that 20m initially.
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I never said that Switch sales weren't doing well, you're putting words into people mouth. Dominating the EU is still much more imporant than a single country like Japan, especially when hardware sales are declining in Japan for a while now. Japan is less and less relevant for hardware and the Switch failed to end the decline. PS4 sold meh, Xbox doesn't exist in Japan and the Switch isn't selling as much as the 3DS, in Japan, launch aligned. At this point of the year, the 3DS sold ~2m more units than the Switch is doing right now.
Everyone just ignoring Software sales then?
Nintendo Kart would be incredibly weird given how well MK8D is selling.
Nintendo Kart would be incredibly weird given how well MK8D is selling.
Isn't it slowing for a while now ? It has legs, but nothing what a new "Kart" game could do.
it's absolutely not slowing and is on track to be a top 3 best selling MK game easily
I thought it was outpacing MK Wii?
I don't see a new Kart game happening in a winter that could quite possibly have a Pokemon, a Mario and a Starfox with heavy promotion.
Though I'll save my expectations for after the Direct.
The narrative of Switch not doing so well must also be perpetuated by how tight lipped they have been. Having such a dry Q1 and their biggest communication has been negative news about MP4 isn't going to help their perception right now.
Where is the Nintendo Direct?
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It sold more in 2018 than it did in 2017 which is when it launched. It's basically keeping pace with MKWii which went on to sell 38M I believe.
Oh now I understand why there is a thread about the switch good sales almost every week. Because some people think otherwise. Well it has a sense.
I'm joking.
I'm joking.
Didn't Era Detective already find out those uploads were from months ago making this all nonsense?
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Amazing then. That's what I call an evergreen.
He isn't wrong though. I assumed Switch would do much stronger with Pokemon 3D and Smash in the same year and it seems Nintendo also thought so. Switch didn't and if Nintendo is spot-on on their forecast, they might sell less Switch this than the last one (17.5m vs 17m).
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Switch sales last FY were 15 million, they will be YoY up over it no matter what.
you mean niche crossing? pffft
i didn't say he's wrong, i just know his angle
Don't worry, analysts and investors. Switch Lite Mini alongside Pocoremon or Animal Crossing is gonna send sales into the stratosphere.
I didn't know Animal Crossing was that big of a franchise, does this mean Nintendo will have another good quarter and a dry 9 months or will Animal Cross release around E3 time?
His argument that Switch could do better in Europe is kind of irrelevant. That can be said for any console in any region. I used PS4 in Japan as an example because he compared Switch to PS4 to try to prove it wasn't selling well. Someone could make that same argument with PS4 and Japan and it would also be false when talking about worldwide sales.
They are both doing good and regardless of the sales target it is selling at an incredible rate, as is the PS4. Of course it will have to hold numbers for years to continue selling alongside the PS4 launch aligned, but there is no reason to hold that against it when all the data we have currently shows it doing that with no signs of slowing down.
Switch is closer in power and capability to the other consoles than the Wii was. That shouldn't matter.
It's games also sell at $60 just like the other home consoles. The comparison to the PS4 is fine. They are also sharing more and more of the same games, especially in Japan.
Under promise and over deliver Nintendo. You are doing great, don't let hubris get in the way of strategy.
They have Animal Crossing, Pokémon, Luigi Mansion 3, Fire Emblem, Ultimate Alliance 3, Yoshi, Town, etc... plus a couple unannounced titles according to quotes from the investors meeting. They should have a better 2019 lineup in comparison to 2018 IMO, making it easier to have better sales in the first 2 quarters.
Nobody is denying it failed to meet Nintendo's expectations. That also doesn't mean it's selling poorly or losing momentum, which is what this analyst is pointing out due to all the attention missing the target is bringing.
Don't know anything about selling consoles but I do know forecasting is hard.. unlike the dunning krugerites all over the internet.
Maybe they believed their pr about multiple switches per household?
Still seems a sound strategy to my ignorant ass.. price drop on the rumoured new model could be the tip for that to become a thing.
Maybe they believed their pr about multiple switches per household?
Still seems a sound strategy to my ignorant ass.. price drop on the rumoured new model could be the tip for that to become a thing.
How many people predicted over 30 mil less than two years on the market?
Props to those people but there certainly wasn't many.
Props to those people but there certainly wasn't many.
$60 is kinda arbitrary. Part of the reason Nintendo has to charge that is card printing prices. As for games, the big 3rd party games of the last few months are Kingdom Hearts 3, RDR2, RE2R, Anthem. We're past the point where publishers could say 'we didn't know about switch in time'. No, it still feels like Nintendo is on an island of Indies and their own stuff. What Japanese games are you talking about? Also it's been reported that many pubs have started next gen projects. Do you really think EA, Capcom, Ubi, SE, Bethesda, Rockstar are going to release a big budget multiplatform game that includes Switch?
For all we know they had another Q4 game lined up but it was delayed without our knowing. They certainly picked 20 (double the prior years goal) for a reason. But then again, a whole year is a long time to play out. Who knows? Either way it's still selling tremendously well. Here's to a great 2019.
They slashed 3DS forecasts a lot too, even this fiscal year. And while it wasn't a massive seller, it wasn't a Wii U like failure.
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