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Oct 25, 2017
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Privacy, UI, system/service/app integration, video/file transfer quality/performance, Mac/iPad support, messaging/payment/group features, backup, SMS fallback -- iMessage is in another league altogether across the board.

But it's not available on Android, so it's not an option for the majority of phone users.
WhatsApp has all of that, sans the Apple features. Not so "on its own league" as you think.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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WhatsApp has all of that, sans the Apple features. Not so "on its own league" as you think.
I use WhatsApp and, when on iOS, iMessage. WhatsApp really doesn't compare in any of those categories. And even if you feel the difference in performance, UI, privacy, featureset, etc., doesn't matter or is splitting hairs, WhatsApp certainly doesn't have SMS fallback.
 
Dec 14, 2017
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I wrote a huge post about how wierd and unacceptable it is for me to see people praising iMessage because of SMS in (almost) 2019 but I know this is a matter that comes up every month here and people will never change their minds so I gave up lol The supposed advantages of iMessage and the "integration" with iOS are just a joke, Apple forces you to use Messages over anything else and people end up thinking it is great because of that. On Android you just need to share stuff with other apps and they will automatically show up first for you the next time. Anyways, I won't change people's minds and I am sure in less than a month we will have a thread about it again lol.

why is SMS fallback being touted as a feature when iMessage users hate it, mock it and deride it and the color associated with it?
Because its the only thing missing on other services lol. If I cant write someone on WhatsApp I can just... Call them! If its not urgent to call, its not urgent to write either. This is a no-problem that people use to explain this "great" feature.
 
Jul 22, 2018
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what if they just don't support RCS?
I already answered this.

why is SMS fallback being touted as a feature when iMessage users hate it, mock it and deride it and the color associated with it?
It's because people are either too lazy or tech iliterate to juggle multiple apps in the US. How is this not obvious?

Asking your 60something year old parents to use SMS, WhatsApp, Facebook etc separately for messaging is confusing for them in my experience. iMessage / RCS solves this so there is no app juggling depending in the contact. Both protocols fallback to SMS which is why it's a desired feature.
 
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Oct 25, 2017
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damn the iPhone XR is legit ugly. After seeing it again in store, not sure why people think this thing looks good. iPhone X and XS are by the far the best looking iPhone's still. Also, I don't even consider them even in the top 5 phone designs that currently exist.
 
Jul 22, 2018
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damn the iPhone XR is legit ugly. After seeing it again in store, not sure why people think this thing looks good. iPhone X and XS are by the far the best looking iPhone's still. Also, I don't even consider them even in the top 5 phone designs that currently exist.
I agree x1000. I love Google products but think the Pixel 3 XL notch is pretty ugly. Say the XR is ugly to an Apple lover and they meltdown.

Enjoy 😂
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-iphone-xr-is-waaaay-uglier-than-the-pixel-3-xl.84368/
 
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Oct 27, 2017
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It's their flagship phone (with SD845 I assume?) and they put Androidone on it?
You're mixing up Android One (a Pixel-like experience with minimal manufacturer tinkering, maybe an app or two AT MOST, and OS/Security upgrades guaranteed) with Android Go, which is the version prepared for low-memory ultra-low-end devices and that can be tweaked by OEMs to hell and back.
 
Dec 27, 2018
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You're mixing up Android One (a Pixel-like experience with minimal manufacturer tinkering, maybe an app or two AT MOST, and OS/Security upgrades guaranteed) with Android Go, which is the version prepared for low-memory ultra-low-end devices and that can be tweaked by OEMs to hell and back.
Oh! Is Androidone the version on Pocophone?
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Oh! Is Androidone the version on Pocophone?
Nope, Pocophone is a tweaked MIUI. Android One is on all Android Nokia phones and some specific models from other OEMs, and aside for the Camera app and maybe the launcher, they're almost identical to the Pixels software wise.
 
Dec 27, 2018
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Nope, Pocophone is a tweaked MIUI. Android One is on all Android Nokia phones and some specific models from other OEMs, and aside for the Camera app and maybe the launcher, they're almost identical to the Pixels software wise.
What about Moto phones? Do they have Androidone? This Nokia has the weirdest bezel design, more old fashion than Sony phones.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Privacy, UI, system/service/app integration, video/file transfer quality/performance, Mac/iPad support, messaging/payment/group features, backup, SMS fallback -- iMessage is in another league altogether across the board.

But it's not available on Android, so it's not an option for the majority of phone users.
not using the signal protocol, and not being cross platform makes iMessage just bad. If you're not cross platform, you're not relevant.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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not using the signal protocol, and not being cross platform makes iMessage just bad. If you're not cross platform, you're not relevant.
Okay, but question asked was what advantages iMessage has over WhatsApp.

(There's nothing magical about the Signal protocol, either. WhatsApp doesn't use Signal, but it's the most popular non-SMS messaging app worldwide (while iMessage dominates in the US, cross-platform or no).)

What about Moto phones? Do they have Androidone? This Nokia has the weirdest bezel design, more old fashion than Sony phones.


Motorola has a few Android One devices, but its mainstream E/G/Z devices are not part of the program. Which is a pity, because apart from software updates Moto still puts out nice phones.
 
Jul 22, 2018
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not using the signal protocol, and not being cross platform makes iMessage just bad. If you're not cross platform, you're not relevant.
A. No one gives a shit about which E2E protocal a messaging app uses but privacy nerds.
B. As I already said multiple times iMessage doesnt have to be cross platform in some regions where iPhone penetration is high. In the US you are the odd man out if you are on Android. Especially with the younger generation.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Slovakia
Anyone MI 8 users here? As with my previous posting, I'm looking for decent phone under 400 and can buy brand new MI 8 6/128 for around 350. How is SoT and performance and photo quality after most recent update?

Should I bite or wait until new wave comes in?
 

Rand a. Thor

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Oct 31, 2017
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Greece
6 cameras is ridiculous, but the one thing that bothers me is the flash placement. Have a ring of 6 cameras, with a flash in the middle. That shit is irking me for no good reason.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Side note

Does anyone actually visit Joshua Topolsky's new site?

Isn't it crazy how out of site out of mind he is? At one point he was THE tech guy in the world. He had exclusive interviews with everyone. He was on the tonight show ever couple of months to pimp out new tech. He got his own interview show that was like a mock version of late night.

Then he got bored, job hopped all over, and seems lost to the annals of time at his new site that nobody ever goes to or talks about.

Am I crazy?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Side note

Does anyone actually visit Joshua Topolsky's new site?

Isn't it crazy how out of site out of mind he is? At one point he was THE tech guy in the world. He had exclusive interviews with everyone. He was on the tonight show ever couple of months to pimp out new tech. He got his own interview show that was like a mock version of late night.

Then he got bored, job hopped all over, and seems lost to the annals of time at his new site that nobody ever goes to or talks about.

Am I crazy?
I had forgotten that name until now

Edit: Jesus Christ, found the website, god damn that was painful to read. That frontpage design is ass.
 
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Brot

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Oct 25, 2017
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On the edge
Side note

Does anyone actually visit Joshua Topolsky's new site?

Isn't it crazy how out of site out of mind he is? At one point he was THE tech guy in the world. He had exclusive interviews with everyone. He was on the tonight show ever couple of months to pimp out new tech. He got his own interview show that was like a mock version of late night.

Then he got bored, job hopped all over, and seems lost to the annals of time at his new site that nobody ever goes to or talks about.

Am I crazy?
Tech and gadgets have been incredibly boring for the last couple of years. I can't blame him for wanting to do something different. The Outline seems to focus more on internet culture, which is something he seemed to be interested in before leaving the Verge.

The new site got a somewhat weird layout but performance is more of an issue. At least on my S9 with the Samsung browser, scrolling isn't as smooth as it could be.

Anyway, they publish a couple of interesting articles every now and then but it's never a site I visit on a regular basis. What made me a fan of Engadget and the Verge after that were the various scoops and leaks they reported. Since that stopped, there was no reason to visit them anymore. But to be honest, I don't visit any tech site for news anymore, aside from Android Police because they still get scoops every now and then. But overall, it's just not interesting and hasn't been for a long time. While I listen to the Daily Tech News Show and Stacey's IoT podcast, I do it mostly for the discussions and tips rather than the news.

As for Topolsky himself, who gives a shit. He was never bigger than his products. Engadget, This is my Next and the Verge were fun because of the crew and not because of him alone. Him, Patel, Miller, Stern, Slavov and Bohn were fun to read and listen to, during a time when gadgets were still evolving at a rapid pace. Topolsky, for example, had a close connection to Mattias Durante, which got them scoops and good insights. Patel was able to put his lawyer degree to use and tried to make sense of the patent war bullshit. I'll also never forget Miller's wonderful rant disguised as a hands-on article about some shitty low-effort Acer Windows Phone at IFA. The others usually published some good reviews, sometimes with a spin (like Stern's "MacBooks are the best Windows laptops you can buy" article). I'm sure that all of that is still somewhere out there, but as the news got more boring, so did the people reporting on it.
 

dude

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Oct 25, 2017
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Tel Aviv
I had forgotten that name until now

Edit: Jesus Christ, found the website, god damn that was painful to read. That frontpage design is ass.
I honestly would have thought The Outline was a parody site if I came across it without knowing anything about it. The brutalist UX is horrible to use and the tone of every article can only be described as "unnecessarily condescending".
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Upgraded from small Pixel 1 to small Pixel 3. I didn't expect much of an upgrade but damn this little thing is impressive. Amazing screen, fast as hell, the camera is fucking godly, and the proportions are perfect, sits perfectly in my small Trump hands.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Anyone with eperience with Microsoft Launcher:

Im trying to get the light/transparent theme to stick with my daily wallpapers
But it keeps reverting to dark transparent.
Ive "i think" hunted through all the settings and checked reviews of MS Launcher and it seems after the update either the features have moved around or my phone is just gimped some how.
I cant set headers to accent color and I cant force Transparent Light with Slideshow wallpapers.
Am I missing something.

Light Transparent:


Dark Transparent, which my phone keeps reverting to.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I put it off for a while, but I finally made the switch to Google Fi. I bought the XL to go along with it, so there's that. They're giving me $100 dollar credit for buying the phone, too. My sister and her husband have had Fi for a long time now, so I used their referral code to get an extra $20 credit. Apparently, there was some referral promotion going on, so they're getting an addition $100 credit to their account.

My phone should be here next week. I'm coming from the LG G6, which I really liked. This will also be my first non-LG android phone in years.
 
May 9, 2018
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I've been thinking about replacing my phone for a couple of months now and pulled the trigger on a Note 9, thing is, I was under the impression that Exynos and Snapdragon weren't all that different but it turns out the GPU on the Exynos are pretty... mediocre, to say at least. Not that I play graphic intensive games on my phone, but you never know, maybe down the road there will be one that sparks my interest, I should be happy about the huge upgrade coming from a OnePlus One but it still feels like a kick in the nuts on Samsung's part. Got the Note 9 for 599 €, but I could've bought a Snapdragon one for about 70-90 € more, not sure if it would've been worth it.

The other option was a OnePlus 6T for 650~ € but I absolutely detest notches, which was the main reason for getting the Note 9, specially after seeing that hole on S10's screen, I wouldn't be able to get used to that. I like what I'm reading about the Xperia ZX4 a lot, but oh well, it's too late now.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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San Francisco
I'll never understand the punchout hole. Like...they couldn't possibly move the camera toward the upper right corner of the screen so that it'd blend in better? Instead they leave a sliver of space that will have no use whatsoever.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'll never understand the punchout hole. Like...they couldn't possibly move the camera toward the upper right corner of the screen so that it'd blend in better? Instead they leave a sliver of space that will have no use whatsoever.
A hole that close to the edge of the glass leads to structural problems in that corner.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Seriously looking like I'm going to get the Razer phone come upgrade time. Not dealing with a notch or pimple suits me.

Just do a version without the selfie cam. I've used mine once in 2 years to see if I had conjunctivitis
 
May 9, 2018
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Downloaded Geekbench to satisfy my curiosity and I found the results kind of surprising, Is the Exynos that much better than Snapdragon on the CPU side? Specially on Single Core, seems to be better than the Xperia XZ4 above. How reliable is Geekbench?

 

emag

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Oct 26, 2017
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Downloaded Geekbench to satisfy my curiosity and I found the results kind of surprising, Is the Exynos that much better than Snapdragon on the CPU side? Specially on Single Core, seems to be better than the Xperia XZ4 above. How reliable is Geekbench?

Yes, SD CPUs have underperformed Samsung's own for years (although the difference isn't that much, as your numbers demonstrate). Geekbench is reliable for what it tests.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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A. No one gives a shit about which E2E protocal a messaging app uses but privacy nerds.
B. As I already said multiple times iMessage doesnt have to be cross platform in some regions where iPhone penetration is high. In the US you are the odd man out if you are on Android. Especially with the younger generation.
So virtually nowhere?

Edit: "nobody gives a shit about which E2E protocol..." when I'm replying to a comment about privacy is hilarious.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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You are really out of touch with the general consumers of this industry.
With regards to privacy? General consumers don't care, I already know this, in just responding to the idea of iMessage being "better" due to security when it's obviously not true. In terms of iOS penetration, between it not being dominant in the US in the first place and it not being the first Messenger on the scene, it's far less important than some memes makes it seem.
 

emag

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Oct 26, 2017
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With regards to privacy? General consumers don't care, I already know this, in just responding to the idea of iMessage being "better" due to security when it's obviously not true.
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How is it far better than WhatsApp?
Privacy != Security

Facebook openly harvests WhatsApp data. (There's also zero evidence for the Signal protocol being more secure than iMessage's system.)
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Privacy != Security

Facebook openly harvests WhatsApp data. (There's also zero evidence for the Signal protocol being more secure than iMessage's system.)
Facebook cannot read WhatsApp messages. Incidentally I'm saying that iMessage isn't more secure not that it's insecure.
 
Jul 22, 2018
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With regards to privacy? General consumers don't care, I already know this, in just responding to the idea of iMessage being "better" due to security when it's obviously not true. In terms of iOS penetration, between it not being dominant in the US in the first place and it not being the first Messenger on the scene, it's far less important than some memes makes it seem.
You don't live in the US, do you?
 

emag

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Oct 26, 2017
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Facebook cannot read WhatsApp messages. Incidentally I'm saying that iMessage isn't more secure not that it's insecure.
Facebook could read your WhatsApp messages, as they control the client app, but I agree that Facebook probably doesn't read your WhatsApp messages.