Anime |OT| Fall 2019 - Falling Down the Rabbit Hole

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Yeah... but I like dubs and want a dubbed release :P
Well, then I wonder that if the dubs for the OVAs were commissioned by Netflix... would that mean that any third party overseas interested in a re-release would have to be responsible for a new dubbing process, aside from previous step of pursuing the licensing of the IP itself? For a product that has been as easily accessible as it was until recently, such investment could mean insufficient returns for a licensee in the low-end estimation. Sadly, I assume many potential licensee wouldn't be too interested at the moment.

Maybe with time, or maybe sooner via new distribution deals spearheaded by the management committee in case a promotional push for the original property is in order (e.g. new content produced within the brand).
 
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zulux21

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Well, then I wonder that if the dubs for the OVAs were commissioned by Netflix... would that mean that any third party overseas interested in a re-release would have to be responsible for a new dubbing process, aside from previous step of pursuing the licensing of the IP itself? For a product that has been as easily accesible as it was until recently, such investment could mean insufficient returns for a licensee in the low-end estimation. Sadly, I assume many potential licensee wouldn't be too interested at the moment.

Maybe with time, or via new distribution deals spearheaded by the management committee in case a promotional push for the original property is in order (e.g. new content produced within the brand).
From what I've read through projects like the Skip Beat Kickstarter it's extremely unlikely Netflix owns the rights to its dub, and that instead the parent company owns the rights. So when the TV series license runs out it shouldn't be impossible for another company to get the rights including the dub from the parent company without ever talking to Netflix at all.

It's why all the Funimation rereleases of bandai stuff has the original voices though because the Japanese company owns the dub.

I figure at the very least once the tv series rights expire we will have some company pick the up the home video rights. But we don't know how many years that will be and until then there won't be legal access to the dub of the OVA :/
 

DarknessTear

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Oresuki 03

Are you fucking kidding me? This is the biggest disappointment I've had with an anime in a long ass time. Congrats, I guess? Sun threatening to rape Sanshokuin and pretty much getting away with it was infuriating. No repercussions whatsoever. Sanshokuin revealing herself as someone the MC knew by unbinding her breasts was yet another dumb thing that happened in this episode. Ugh.
 

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From what I've read through projects like the Skip Beat Kickstarter it's extremely unlikely Netflix owns the rights to its dub, and that instead the parent company owns the rights. So when the TV series license runs out it shouldn't be impossible for another company to get the rights including the dub from the parent company without ever talking to Netflix at all.

It's why all the Funimation rereleases of bandai stuff has the original voices though because the Japanese company owns the dub.
Hmmmm... I won't delve too much on hypothetical questions that vary greatly on a case-to-case basis without knowing the exact deals made, but yeah, as you say there are many examples of old properties that retained their dubs on re-releases, as the rights returned to the original IP management companies or committees.

However, it is my understanding that there is a distinction regarding derivative works that could mean, in this case, that Netflix still retains certain rights to a dubbing or ADR production process even if they relinquish rights to reproduce the work; done as part of a Netflix-commissioned content workflow handled by the Netflix Post Partner Program (NP3), or as "content partner-commissioned licensed content workflows" through the Netflix Preferred Fulfillment Partner (NPFP). In case of the former, for the LWA OVAs, Netflix could still conserve partial rights for that version of derivative work (the specific "dubbed version", let's say) that would revert to the copyright holder in a given time we are not aware of.

Even then, without knowing the agreement in place at the time, this is just an assumption that can be far from the truth! :-P
 
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zulux21

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Even then, without knowing the agreement in place at the time, this is just an assumption that can be far from the truth! :-P
I just know with the Skip Beat kickstarter it was for NA only and shortly after it succeeded it was announced for EU dubbed through a different company which is when the skip beat kickstarter explained that not only do they not own the rights to the dub they are producing that it's rare for the company making the dub to retain rights to it at all. Typically the parent company owns all rights to the dub the moment you make it, but they can't break the contract you have. So if you have rights for NA they can't sell it to another company in NA until your rights run out.

I can't imagine Netflix would own the distribution rights to something and just stop streaming it for the heck of it, so it wouldn't be surprising if those are up for grabs. But as was said it was readily available for a long time so another company likely will wait to license it to increase demand and odds they get a good return. As I said I would expect that to be until the TV series drops off netflix as then they could package everything together and the demand for the OVAs alone should be enough to drive the sales.
 

Dale Copper

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Zeta Gundam 38
I'm kinda disgusted with Reccoa that she can so easily betray the ones she's worked so closely with. Even the Titans guy was like, "any decent human being would feel something". We get no indication that Reccoa feels anything anymore for her Argama fellows. Even Char had the decency to feel a tinge of regret at betraying Garma.

Also, nothing makes me happier than the constant crash and burn of Jerid. Every failure he experiences fills my heart with joy
 

Man God

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Jerid is the biggest piece of shit in that series, and that is saying something considering all the mass murderers running around.
 

Man God

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For me its the personal nature of Jerid's assholishness that gets me. Dude is straight up proud that he killed Kamille's mom and doesn't even really try to cloud it on him just doing his job.
 

RedSwirl

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Attack on Titan Season 3

I guess it was pretty good. I'd already read manga spoilers so I knew about the major stuff that was gonna happen, but I still think they really pulled off the feel of that last battle being really desperate and down to the wire. Through all three seasons the show maintained this really grim war of attrition feeling combined with typical shounen fight tactics. I wonder how anime fans are gonna take the sudden shift from here on out.
 

Master Milk

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Bookworm Episode 3:

Pretty soon Mine is going to rule this world and then Ancient Egypt will pay.
if she's too dumb to start selling that shampoo, i don't think she's got it in her to rule the world

as for the episode, it wasn't bad or anything, but after the start of episode one, everything that's not leading up to that feels really slow. whatever was going on there seems way more interesting than being poor as fuck in the winter, i wish the story would hurry up and get there
 

xEik

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Nov 17, 2017
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The Catalan Republic
I have to assume that Bookworm's end game has to include movable type so I find it weird that she still hasn't started to plan on how to introduce it (I'm only up to episode 2).
 

squall23

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Oct 25, 2017
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I have no clue what that is... New SD Gundam series?
Mashin Eiyuuden Wataru is a super popular series in the 80s to early 90s spanning more than 100 episodes and multiple OVAs. Last year, interest in the IP was revived when it was introduced in Super Robot Wars. New merchandise and sometimes new seasons for old series tends to be created when SRW puts them in the spotlight. It's one of the major reasons why the new season of Full Metal Panic exists.
 

Aizō

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Oct 25, 2017
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ほぼ真ん中の方
Don't think I've ever posted in an anime OT on era before (more of a manga guy), but I wanted to talk about Ahiru no Sora. A few years ago, I randomly picked up the first volume at Bookoff one day, and I really liked it but never got around to reading more. When I saw it was getting adapted, I was pretty excited, though. I thought it showed so much promise, and the characters were so endearing.

I saw it was on Japanese netflix today, so I watched the two episodes that were available (not sure how long after airing ep 3 goes up...). It seems like a really good adaptation! The art and animation look solid, the soundtrack isn't generic, its opening is by The Pillows (!), the voice actors are very well suited to their characters, and the directing seemed perfect. I don't often like TV anime because many of them feel like they take shortcuts that bug me, but hopefully this one is good. The source material has some of the typical male creeping that I hate to expect, which is a blemish on an otherwise charming series full of heart, but I hope that dies down as it goes along.

I'm watching this and Beastars... and I haven't stayed up with a seasonal for many years. Doubt I'll watch anything else, but I'm happy with these two so far.

Edit: And I just finished Beastars episode 2. WTF. Oh, my.
 
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Man God

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Year: Sometime in the far future.
Humanity: Living in Space Colonies.
Space Nazis: Oh you better believe there are space nazis.
Milquetoast Protagonist with girl who loves him and hangs around him: Oh you better believe it. And he LOVES PEACE.
Neutral Colony that hasn't seen war: The most neutral.
Sudden invasion by commando squad of said space nazis, probably all teenaged boys with bad attitudes: You better believe it, the worst attitudes.
Milquetoast boy becoming a hero after the colony is attacked and he climbs into a giant robot where he kills a heck of a lot of space nazis in less cool giant robots: You know it.

Am I watching the original Mobile Suit Gundam? I am not.
...Oh, You're watching GUNDAM SEED right? (The coordinators aren't space nazis though) You wish.
...Aldnoah Zero? Hell no.
...Gundam AGE? You couldn't pay me to watch that again.

I'm watching, the one, the only...



VALVRAVE THE LIBERATOR: 01

So I described the first half of the episode pretty accurately. Haruto is the lame protagonist who climbs into a robbit after his love interest Shoko is blown up (off camera, with no body shown) by a transfer student bully who just happens to be a fucking space nazi. I mean, literally the third space reich. He goes crazy, gives up his humanity to his Apple Car loli assistant and pilots the Valvrave against some generic ass mobile suits. A shut in hacker girl shares all this live on the future internet and Haruto gets a lot of friend requests. End of episode. Oh and the post episode scene has him get stabbed through the heart and shot a bunch by the bully, and before he steals the robbit the main character becomes a space vampire and chomps down on his neck. Okay so it's not exactly like those other shows, but it sure does feel like someone got nostalgic for Gundam SEED and had just read Twilight.
 

Kalentan

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Hey, question. I know Hulu made a deal with Funimation so Hulu gets a bunch of funimation stuff but is that just limited to their sub and some dub content? Or do they also get simuldubs?
 

DNAbro

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ORESUKI Are you the only one who loves me? 1-3


Thanks to a recommendation of a certain youtuber, I started watching this. This is very close to being a good comedy yet it's not quite there for most of it and in the 3rd episode it goes full drama which was surprisingly engrossing. At first it kind of seems like a slight subversion of harem romcom tropes with the MC just pretending to be the standard harem MC but with how the last episode went I'm not sure if it's going to stay that way.

All in all, surprisingly good and I want to keep watching.
 

Cornbread78

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Oct 25, 2017
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Soma S4 ep.1
All the feelings of how shitty this arc is came rushing back in an instant. However, thus is Food Wars and it's generally stupid enough and entertaining enough to keep me coming back and having fun. I really miss the intensity and magic that Sona brought in the first two season's though.

Also Erina is trash.....


We Never Learn S2 ep. 1-2
Right back into the harem fun with this one. It'll be fun watching as things progress with all the girls, but "Blue" has to be in the lead although Takemoto is in favorite. Noodle girl might as well drop out now.


Black Clover ep.105
Luck!!!!!! Welcome back friend..... The new base for the bulls is awesome, lol.
 

effingvic

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Oct 25, 2017
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Oresuki 1

Man that was a curveball lol. This started off sooooooooooooooooooo generic that I almost gave up in the first few minutes but glad I stuck around for the twist. I also didnt expect to hear the Imperial March either.
 
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Sword Art Online Alicilization War of the Underworld Episode 1

Kirito clutching Eugeo sword for dear life and even going as far as falling out of his wheel chair and wanting to get him back from the bullies. I cried so hard and so much. Eugeo is still loved.

Dull OP, Dull ED song.